Moon - exactly which friends of mine are laughing behind my back? Please point them out so I can know. Please enlighten me, since we all laugh behind YOUR backs EVERY night. Tell me one by one which friends are laughing behind my back, because I suspect this is bullshit once again to bignote yourself. And this isn't a forum love, it's a blog in which you can express your opinion - as far as filthy talk and hostility goes, LMAO, you are doing EXACTLY the same thing by trying to insult me - your hypocrisy amazes me. Even though I am not insulted, it rolls off me like water rolls off a duck's back.

Anomie - please , please get fucked for once. I have told you time and time again you are a slapper in the worst way and no current 'marriage' of yours will convince me otherwise. Tell yourself over and over again that you are a fine upstanding citizen and you just may believe it in time. When you lie to yourself for long enough, you tend to believe your own lies. Now is hubby going to get online and defend you again? Oops, I forgot you live in Ipswich - the town of trailer trash -my apologies, he's probably down at the pub flirting with the barmaid isn't he. Oh, and I didn't know Ipswich was trailer trash - my husband told me that one, since he thinks its fun to get involved now and worked in Queensland for awhile and yep, he found out the biggest racists and inbred scumbags come from Ipswich. Two words - Pauline Hanson. That moron comes from Ipswich just like you Anomie - sounds like a delightful place to live. LMAO

As far as a punching bag goes Moon - will it have your face on it? Then, I'd love one. Please send me the order details and I'm happy to purchase one on my credit card LMAO

Quoted by Binky

"And, outside of your paranoid little minds, there has been NO trolling on public forums such as NP or JB. reading a public forum that you’re not a member of isn’t trolling, fuck muppet! "

Sorry Cara, I forgot to tell you, I 'accidentally' signed up at one of those forums and posed as Unworthy, forgive me, please, I am so so sorry that I have now ruined the fantastic reputation that we hold at Realistic Parenting, promise, promise, promise, I won't do it anymore.

Signed
Unworthy

UFAF, although you call it baiting and you find it funny to do so you are only making yourself look stupid my love. You have NO idea how many people are laughing behind your back, even your own friends.

How sad really, that you must come onto various forums to spill forth your filthy talk and express you unrelenting anger and hostility. If I were you, I'd invest in a punching bag to release some of the fury which lies within.

Although, I have to say, thanks for giving me a great laugh over the last few days, your pathetic, juvenile behaviour has thoroughly entertained me LMFAO!!

wow, Anomie, them looks like breastfeeders nipples to me.

;)

Yes Be, I am sure that her 'friends' did totally understand that she was calling someone a retard to take the piss out of me. Or something.

And no UFAF, you look stupid to most people, its just that your friends seem to like you in spite of yourself so wouldn't actually say so.

Anomie, put your tits away, they are hairy and saggy :D

L.A.S.T

(@Y@)

lol

last.

Word.

Do you think someone should tell her? ;-)


Ok, I will. UFAF, you are really really silly. Do you get a really sore neck watching the point fly way above your head all of the time? Juz wonderin'. That is all.

Stupid to everyone involved eh? Is that why everyone is laughing behind your back Duh - including myself. And who do I look stupid to - your troll mates whose opinion I don't care about or respect anyway, but are only good for 'baiting'?
As for my mates not understanding me Duh, uh you would find we are having a good laugh at your expense and all of your troll mates as well every day. And they know exactly as to how I'm taking the piss out of you, if you really must know, as Be just clarified. Now who is the dumb one now my dear, considering you just incorrectly thought Be represents one of my friends?

No probs for clarifying my comments Be - and as for you getting the last word Be - LMAO - my husband is a Scorpio too and he is forever trying to get the last word over me when we have an argument -it cracks me up as its a battle of the wills between us as I am a hotheaded Leo. But, Be, I have the last post so I win nyah nyah nyah - LMAO (you know, I'm kidding) Tea - I win nyah nyah nyah. Duh - grow a brain and get your facts correct for once. nyah.

They'd sulk, Be :)

Duh, I would just like to clarify that this is only the second time I have ever encountered UFAF, so to say that her 'friends' don't know what she is on about because I don't is not true, as I don't represent her 'friends'. I am sure the friends she is referring to, probably do know her intentions?

UFAF, thanks for clarifying your comments.

So tell me, how would a scorpio go about getting the last word :)

Yes, your 'taking the piss' is SO subtle that it just makes you look stupid to everyone involved. Even your own 'friends' don't get what you are on about. If you are going to take the piss, you may as well do it so that SOMEONE knows you are actually doing it. Otherwise you just look dumb.

Of course you just called Blah a retard so someone would point out that you also made a joke about mental illness (or condition), even though your friends troll hater and lolli have just said that they were very offended by people making light of 'mental conditions'. You do realise that the only people you took the piss out of were the people that were offended right?

No, I have the last post so I win Tea - LMAO. You know, my husband knows, Anomie knows, the Posty knows, the dog knows that I always always win - LMAO.
BE - I couldn't resist calling Blah a fucktard or retard whatever because she was under the serious delusion that I was Troll Hater. Nasty, yes I know, but I used it to take the piss as I know these women would respond with "Now you're just as mean as Anomie" They always seem to fall right into my trap and never seem to know when I'm taking the piss out of them. I have done so THROUGHOUT this blog and they still keep responding. LMAO they're so predictable. So no, Be, I did not miss the point - I was taking the piss as usual in my sly, underhanded way. My 'taking the piss' is far more 'subtle' lol than the boring and predictable comebacks these women seem to have LMAO.

Thats why I left Esperance, Binky.

Not because its a feral town filled with weirdo child molesters and religious nuts, but because I couldn't shop :)

we don't even have a freaking Toys r Us within 200km lol. Can't call it impulse buying if you have to drive that far ;)

OI! Low down dirty dog underhanded tactic that was!:-P

Oh, dont get me going on Toys R Us PlayBy! That is the BEST thing EVA... ;)

Although the bastards dont take St George Visa and since I decided to cut up credit cards and only use my St George Visa I can't do that anymore :(

I just buy shit. I never layby because it would ruin the whole impulsiveness of the purchase ;)

Oh and UFAF, if you read my post straight after the one you are crapping on about, you will see that I came back and clarified 'mental condition'

Its all six of one though really.

Thanks for clearing that up then be, I was getting tired of trying to explain to poor UFAF.

UFAF, sure I keep responding, but I am not flouncing around saying things like "However, you seem to suffer from the former because you obviously missed Troll Hater’s comments when she said no one gives a shit about anything you say anymore, including moi.". If you don't care, shut up.

Tea, I much prefer Toys R US playby - you get to take the shit home first without paying for it :D

Well, i'm a piscean so... whatever. oh! shiny thing! *runs off to chase sunbeams*

Well I am a Gemini, that means that I have the last word, but I must have it right now or never!! And, I will tell you that I dont want the last word, but I will go off and steal it from you at the last minute.

Yes, like Téa, I am an Aries woman and need to have the last word. Because I am right. Always. About everything. So nyah! :-p

I have the last post and therefore I win.

I also have the power to delete which means, if I wanted to , I could have the last word. Not that I believe in deleting, but hey, its a nice thought ;)

haha Be, now there will be 50 post of people trying to get the last word in, LMAO.

Téa, that is freaking hilarious! Who knew it wasn't about you ;) funny tho, they never ask me *looks uncertain*

UFAF I think you have totally missed the point of Dah's comment.
To explain in simple terms - Anomie joked about mental illness - people found it offensive and barked down her throat.
You joked about retardation - so is also offensive, hence you are just as bad as her.

Talk about irony, Tea you come out looking good lol. Lets see who will have the last say, as you all seem determined to, do you think just cause you have the last post you win? If so you are seriously deluded.

Oh,here we are again... my dear, I just told you Mental Retardation and Mental Illness are TWO different things so when I call someone 'retarded' or a 'fucktard' this is no indication of a mental illness. I thought I just explained that to you? Was that extra chromosome of yours interfering with your ability to process information again? Sorry, I should have realised and not been so 'nasty' As for responding, well dear, you are doing exactly the same. Who's the hilarious one then? I must admit though I do looooove 'playing' you, you are such easy bait LMAO. Now, are we going to respond again our little masochist?

heehee... lets see if we can get to 400 comments.

For the record girls, and this is quite hilarious... I went into Best & Less again the other day (Man I love that place lol), and the girls said cheerily "layby or sale". Turns out that the Best & Less girls have been told to say it to everybody.

So, maybe you lot are right -- I am self absorbed and think its all about me.

I had to laugh at that, given the brou ha ha that has come about because of that post. LOL. Although we know it was never actually about the post :)

Sorry, mental "condition".

Oh thanks for clearing that up then. You WERE being just as nasty as Anomie by passing comment about a mental illness. Thankyou for clarifying :D

You say you don't give a shit, but you keep responding! Your hilarious :D

To Duh - uh, actually retardation can be a mental condition as well as a physical one. Mental, or as its otherwise known - intellectual retardation, does exist - if you want to be precise here. Mental retardation is not mental illness either just in case you want to know. However, you seem to suffer from the former because you obviously missed Troll Hater's comments when she said no one gives a shit about anything you say anymore, including moi. Now hurry off and do something about that extra chromosome of yours clouding your mental faculties, huh?

And I see that UFAF has just called someone 'seriously retarded'. Lucky that retardation is a physical disability and not a mental illness, otherwise she would be just as mean and nasty as Anomie ;)

Duh, I think I speak for the majority of everyone on here when I say we really don't care anymore. I don't care what you have to say anymore. I have told you my stance regarding UFAF - I have nothing against her and perhaps UFAF is still posting because your lovely friends keep attacking her. Perhaps if they shut up, she will too? I also have to agree with what Binky just said.

There is nothing wrong with telling whoever started all of this to get fucked at all. I was only responding to 'Troll hater's comments that poor little UFAF was just:

"Perhaps she should not have replied, but I think she wants to defend herself against some very nasty women themselves"

Yep, she was defending herself.

I haven't had any part of any of this until I started posting here yesterday. My only comments were about UFAF. Now I was just backing up what I had to say.

Everyone else here at the end at least seems to be trying to get things out in the open and repair some friendships. What friendship is UFAF trying to repair? Why is she still posting?

Oh, don't be ridiculous, Duh! Members of TBM came here without provocation to spam Téa's blog. Because they were too cowardly (and just a bit mean, using Nixie's name) to identify themselves, and someone early on claimed to be anomie, it was a fair call to tell that poster to get fucked. And the bit you quoted was in response to the real anomie telling téa to stop being a pathetic victim and that she brought this on herself (still not sure why, hmmm.) Does it really matter who the insults were aimed at in particular? FFS grow up, anyone who has read this commentary knows that nobody can play the innocent.

Defending herself you say?

This was UFAF's entry into this blog:

"Abnormie - get our your stinking hairy tits and go and breastfeed one of your numerous bastard illegitimate children you’ve had to how many - I don’t know - nameless fathers? Are you still breastfeeding your eldest old enough to chew steak? I wonder.
It’s bad enough that I have to see you ugly women all the time with your sagging tits exposed to the rest of the world (god, I would put them away if they looked like that) but then you have to come on here and attack someone about their weight? How childish and juvenile and really really low. OOps, I guess I’m childish because I told you the truth about your embarrassing socioeconomic status to the rest of everyone on here."


May I ask where Anomie attacked her and made her come running in to defend HERSELF?

Uh Blah, you must be seriously retarded if you think I have logged on as Troll Hater - I actually asked Tea last night as to who she was and where she came from. I even asked her for her IP address and Tea provided it for me and she has answered your accusation above. If her writing style is similar to mine than she's a fucking genius like me eh?LMAO I don't need to ''make up'' people to defend me honey - I have been doing it all along here under the name of UFAF. And I am NOT the only one who calls Birthtalks Births - I have seen it referred to as Births by several people, and even members on Bubhub of which I was a member of previously.

In fact, I suspect who Troll Hater is and she was a member of Bubhub when I was on there, and I also have recognised her writing style - yes, it is smiliar to mine, but only a moron like you would think it is identical. Go and get a life blah blah blah -

To be fair, Blah, the IPs are different :)

Anomie, in Windows it is Alt + 0233. If you are using Microsoft Office it is easier - Ctrl ' then e. If you are on a Mac, Option e, then e.

I am distrustful too Anomie, so I get where you are coming from, but I am glad we could go some way to sorting this out. Living with a schizophrenic is very hard - or anyone with a mental illness for that matter!

Maybe all of us can take some solace in the fact that all of us have been through that, and try to be a little more understanding because of it. Maybe try to focus on our similarities rather than on our differences. We are all mums - good ones - we are all strong and feisty. We seem to have similar, ut also varying experience with mental illness, abuse or otherwise - and it is probably what makes us the fighters that we are.

How about we focus on that and not on our different (are they really all that different?) parenting philosophies :) Maybe I am just an idealist, but I do hope that people can move on and become friends out of this.

Tan/Vixen - you are the ONLY person who calls the Birthtalks forum "births" - and even in "disguise" your writing (lack of) style is recognisable a mile away. Logging on as "troll hater" and writing public lovenotes to support yourself as UFAF is deeply, tragically pathetic. Yet intoxicatingly amusing. Carry on! :D

Oh and Tea, one more thing...How do you do the little doovey thingy above the "e" in your name? *blush*. I never feel right calling you Tea (unless I follow it with "bag" ;-):-D) and I dunno how to do it. Good thing I never claimed to have a degree in literature, literacy or keyboardology, eh! :-D

Tea,

I posted on your blog because, like I said waaaay up there somewhere, someone told me that apparently I already was trolling. I guess I thought that if I was already doing the time, I may as well enjoy the crime.
You know what? I am glad it happened. There was a lot of nastiness and hurt and shit, but I think a lot of crap has been aired and can now be layed to rest. Particularly with you Tea. You were right, we really ought to have had this out long ago. I guess I am just distrustful, huh.
Troll Hater (such a luffly name, glas to see we are trying to calm things down ;-)) no, I don't do social work ofr a living. Never said I do. I am halfway through a social work degree which I deferred to have my princess and devote time to her until she is no longer so mummy-dependant. Ironically (there's that iron word again!) I have worked with mentally ill youth and have a schitzophrenic mother. (Before you jump on that and try to allude to maybe me having inheritated her mental illness, I'll just quickly point out that she isn't my birth mother ;-)). I don't really think that suggesting that I could smell mental illness was evenin the same league as some of Ufaf's drivel.
Ufaf - knock yerself out there lovey, go hard. Keep up the abuse 'cos I suspect that you are only making me look better and yourself look just a wee bit silly ;-). But that's ok, I quite like a good giggle.
Well, I'm off to shag eleventy ten men before breakfast in the hope that at least three of them will knock me up... Thankyou :-D

lol tan, i guess it's 'banned' if you can't go back under your own name ;)

Hi binky....yep you're right, they did delete my account so in effect, I was banned lol. Same thing lol. I just got told my account had been deleted, so I left.

Hey, I like being nice :)

(off to go cry now...lol)

To Duh - Uh, I only got banned on Bubhub not Births - and I decided to leave Bubhub long before I got banned there. And I really don't give a fuck anyway. Had I known Bubhub was gonna be so bitchy, I would not have joined to begin with if you really must know.

And as far as pissing people off, I only do that because I'm not a dumb ass that has to agree with everyone else and the status quo, I'm not afraid to speak my mind like Troll Hater said and I think deep down alot of people would like to say the same things, but don't have the guts for fear of retribution and keeping 'things nice'. Sometimes, you can't always be 'nice' - this is the real world,not Playschool Duh.

'duh!', tan didn't wander into someone else's blog and randomly start flaming the author. She also wasn't banned from bubhub, she posted a message of departure and they deleted her account for her.

Your attitude seems to be one of 'fling enough shit and some will stick'.

Actually, interesting point Cara.

I am wondering what prompted people to comment here initially anyway? I mean it in the nicest way, I am genuinely curious...why here... why this post etc.

Yes, she got banned from bubhub for being such a nice person and giving such good advice :D

Sure she is just defending herself, as she was on bubhub, and on birth, and here. You gotta wonder how one person comes to have so much to defend themselves over though. Why don't all the other nice people have to defend themselves? Oh, because they don't consistently piss people off of course!

haha UFAF i know you wouldn't ;)

troll hater i first came across Tan when i PM'd her on bubhub re some great posts she had done there, i think she is a really kind hearted person :) (especially when she's not pissed off rofl)

lol Binky .... you know I love ya's .. .would never say a nasty word about you, even though, according to Anomie and Granny I'm mentally ill for defending myself LMAO.
Thanks Troll Hater...if you ever read SA, you will see I'm a different person on there because I'm with sane people lol. Sorry, shouldn't use the word sane lol.

Its just because I read some of your stuff and advice on Bubhub when I used to be on there (not anymore - way too much bitchiness) and on Births, and I liked what you had to say and you gave out some cool advice too. I may not agree with everything you have said, but at least you had the guts to say what was on everyone else's mind lol.

While I won't comment on the content of UFAF's posts (mostly cause half of what she says could be directed at me ;) ) I do agree with 'troll hater' that she has been responding to things said, as most of us have been actually.

Téa didn't post anything about anyone in her blog, nor did we go out of our way to comment, people just turned up outta nowhere in response to her Best and Less commentary and started slinging shit for no good reason. I am curious as to why? Just outta fun?

Yep Troll Hater, thats me, why?

troll hater
stereotypes themselves annoy me but remarks on things that people have NO control over suffering is something that makes my blood boil
i've had WAY to much experience with mental illness, myself and closest friends as well

UFAF am I right in thinking you are Vixen on Births or TanUch from Bubhub? That's what I heard and want to know out of curiosity only.

OK Duh, from what I've seen from UFAF she seems to respond only when Anomie dishes out some bile herself. I did notice that she apologised to Anomie and Anomie threw it back in her face. And I have seen some of UFAF's posts on another forum (not Births) where she has given people some truly wonderful, compassionate advice. So I can't see her as the nasty piece of work you describe. Yes, she has made some nasty comments but these are mainly in retaliation to what others have said. Perhaps she should not have replied, but I think she wants to defend herself against some very nasty women themselves. If you women had so much 'compassion' as you claim to have you wouldn't stoop to poems alluding to mental illness or calling UFAF a nut or whatever. I'ts downright low, childish and ignorant. And you call UFAF ignorant. Who's being the hypocrite here?
And thanks Lolli - I have had experience with a family member who has had mental illness and the stereotypes of mentally ill people really hurt and annoy me.

To Duh - Anomie doesn't ramble? Look at some of her previous posts on here, and I think you would see she dribbles alot of shit. As for being funny, yeah I could see that, fools are funny and so are slappers - I always get a good laugh out of a slapper 'with a heart' like Anomie
To Troll hater - Touche about the mental illness comment. Sorry you had to witness this ridiculous fight between Anomie and I.

troll hater, glad I'm not the only one majorly pissed about the mental illness comment and for someone that has been through as much as you say you have anomie (i'm not doubting you have been through a lot) you should know better and have more compassion for mental illness

Anomies sheep? No. I don't need anyone to tell me what a truly nasty piece of work UFAF is, I worked it out all on my own.

And troll hater, you just told Anomie she is 'equally as bad' as UFAF, which is debatable of course, but where is your lecture to UFAF for the bile she spews forth?

I wasn't going to get involved in this bitch fight between UFAF and Anomie, but now I feel I have to comment. Anomie you are really starting to piss me off. Insulting others just because you've had a hard life? Yeah, UFAF might have said some nasty things to you, but you are as equally as bad. From what I've seen on here, UFAF tried to aplogise to you and you started another catfight. Shame on you. You call UFAF nasty, but you seem to enjoy dishing out even more vitriol than she does for attention seeking purposes. I don't know UFAF but from what she says about your insecurity - she seems to be right, even though she says it in a nasty way. You appear to have a victim mentality which pervades through most of what you write. Really, if you think you are superior to her in intellect, why do you come back with silly, nasty retorts? Making jokes about mental illness is not on - and is below the belt I think. There is nothing funny about mental illness nor the people or families who suffer from it. You go off at UFAF for making fun of your DV situation, but how do you differ when you insult people with mental illness? I thought you did social work for a living. What a fine social worker you would make. I wouldn't come to you with any of my problems, in fear of being labelled a "nut". Grow up and learn something or two about those who really suffer from mental illness or don't comment at all. And for the other women attacking UFAF - do you have to be Anomie's sheeps? You all seem to be brainwashed by her.
Now I guess I'm going to be attacked too. *sighs loudly and in frustration*

Yes you're right. Anomie is nowhere near as vile as you. I actually don't like either of you, but at least Anomie is funny. And doesn't ramble.

*lowers hand after realising that Duh's comment had been misread*

To Duh - Actually I have seen Anomie's "weak" attempts at taking the piss out of me, but really they pale in comparison to the piss I've dished out to her. Do you really think I care about what some anonymous slapper on the Internet has to say to me? I respect the opinion of those who respect themselves, and sadly, Anomie does not qualify. And if you weren't interested in what I had to say, why are you even bothering reading any of my posts, you masochist? Let alone replying? Get a life troll
And to Granny - fuck off, I really don't care about your amateur poems - wherever you got them from, they are certainly not what I would call acclaimed literature. What, did you get the latest poem from Brodie's notes or did you save your basics in poetry book from Lit 101? You remind me of the fool in Shakespeare's King Lear.

*raises hand*

UFAF. You seem to have missed where Anomie has made you look like a complete fucking tool repeatedly in this blog.

I mean really. Can anyone from either side honestly say that they don't just mostly scroll through what UFAF says without reading most of it?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

A cackle in the darkened night
Doth reek of madness, of sanity lost.
Go! Dance in circles. Help heal the hate
Of the tormented soul that doth LMAO.

LMAO Oh, Anomie,you really crack me up. It's not called weirdness darling, its eccentricity LMAO Now I thought you knew everything about literacy? Now what can we smell over there? Oops its not me, its Anomie's stinking receptacle, oops I mean twat, leaking the semen of various men!

*blink*


In the words of the great Willy Wonka...you're really weird!

I'm going over here -------------> now, crazy people scare me. *sniffs air* Can anyone smell mental illness?

Hi, my name is Anomie. I am a fucking genius - I have a genius IQ because I got a high distinction in ONE unit of Literature. Therefore, I must make witty and urbane comments such as "I resemble that remark" because I am soooo well versed in literacy, I feel the need to put others down when they spell one word incorrectly because I have nothing else to insult them with. Unfortunately, I do not have a mind of my own most of the time because I need my husband to defend me, as I am unable to hold my own ground in a petty little fight on the Internet. My attempts to take the piss out of UFAF are extremely amateurish, yet I am a fucking genius. Tell me darl, are you a professional moron or just a gifted natural?

Hmmm.... for fucks sake, if memory serves me correctly, I have an excellent sex life with my husband - we ride one another LMAO - every night LMAO. Unlike your husband, boyfriend, dildo or whatever you use to root, my husband can still get it up. LMAO BTW, what are you going to do for a face when the monkey asks for his ass back? LMAO.

Shit stirrer? Me? *tries to look innocent*

I resemble that remark!

Anomie, you are such a shit stirrer, but you DO make me laugh...

UFAF

You sound like a woman who needs a damn good hard fuck!!

Go and pull your frightened husband out of his kennel and give him the ride of his life, you never know, you might just enjoy it ;)

LMAO Tea - thats OK I knew you weren't directing that comment at me, but our dear friend Granny will be disappointed that it wasn't.

OH FUCK I Didnt notice! ROFL!

Tan, that was SO not directed at you!

Well placed Tea. Your timing is impeccable :)

lol Tan, its a Little Britain reference, I so have to lend you those DVDs. Remind me.

Don't listen to her- shes a slag anyway... ;)

See, I AM honest! I told you ALL but No you didnt believe me. :)

Granny you just crack me up - spoken like a true, smart arsed ignoramus. How witty and urbane you are LMAO. You wouldn't have the first clue about Yugoslav History fuckwit

Anomie,

What-Ever!! :) *flicks hair*

I couldn't find my nice book Tea. Here tis' anyway:

Symbol: The Ram (Battering Ram)
Favourite pastime : Shooting first and asking questions later.
Favourite book: The self-published 'Journal of Personal Wisdom'
Key Phrase: Are you talking to me?

Be unlucky enough to get in the way of a Ram and you'll suffer a red-faced temper tantrum. Jumping up and down is optional.
Independent, fun loving and honest. Not a game player or easily shocked. Capable of soaring to any height. They don't do laid back.

The female Ram can outgun, outrun, outshoot, outtalk and outsmart everyone around her. How do you know? Just ask her:)

Granny,

yeah but no but yeah but shut up! Stop giving me the evils! You only said that because your left tit is bigger than your right tit and anyway, robby boyle likes me better than you cos you wouldn't put out so shut up! :-D

LMFAO Granny!

I totally can't believe you just said that!

Yeah, but no, but yeah...

:)

Anomie... I still thnk there's room for us to be friends. Hows that for optimism...

*assumes polite and helpful expression*
Sorry Ufaf, my husband has left for work. Perhaps you could abuse him another time? ;-)

OH MY GOD! I SO can't believe you just said that!! Well my friend Shona, right, well she said she had been to Serbia but she like called it Yugo for short and when she met this hunk called John she said she wanted to go to Germany for the Oktoberfest but it was like St Patricks day so they went to Ireland instead but then she like dropped him coz he said he had a degree but it was from some spiritual hippy place so that didn't really count coz it only counts if you have the most friends with special degrees and when she came home she started talking about Astrology and it was SO NOT TRUE!! She said my sun was in Gemini and so I told her that her moon was in Uranus and the ooomer was totally missed on her. So don't go giving me the evils young lady coz I was telling you about special Leos and anyway, History is overated and underwritten. I can quote all of Corinthians and my socks don't match.

To Totally Impressed - Does the truth hurt about your wife? Are you going to try and delude yourself into thinking she was always a lady blessed with fine morals? LMAO I'd rather be a cunt than a slapper. At least my cunt is closed most of the time, along with my legs and they only open themselves to my husband. I have a new word for you - you are stinking kooratz - figure that one out, LMAO schvein hoond.

How funny, I should have known you were an aries Tea. See, we really are very similar. ;-)It's such a pity you smell and your mother dresses you funny, we really could have been friends *grin*

Anomie honey do us a favour and get some new material to insult me - your demented state is showing through with your inability to refresh your mind to anything new. Perhaps you should ask your husband to think of a better insult as you can't do it on your own? Tell me, does he hold your hand when you cross the road or go to the toilet too?
Granny - FUCK OFF, I don't care anymore. Astrology is just a laughing passtime of mine. I don't take it seriously as you. As for Slobodan Milosevic, learn something about Serbian history before you comment, you moron. I'm sure you know nothing about western bias towards Serbian politics, so fuck off.

Not to appear totally narcissistic Granny but what does it say about Aries ;)

I am pretty sure it wont have anything nice to say lol

Awww Shucks, Granny *blushes* You are too nice. See C.. ummm, Bi... umm, UFAF, I am nice. Just not when someone attacks my wife and children. That person deserves the worst imprecation I know, which happens to be....Cunt. Like you. Nyah!

Great wonders that are/were Leos:

Slobodan Milosevic
Monica Lewinsky
Danielle Steele

UFAF - I apologise from the cockles of my heart for calling you a Libran. It was uncalled for and I am ashamed of my assumption. A Libran is way too caught up in themselves to personally attack people that they don't know. A Libran is too self-absorbed to make conyourish (look that one up) assumptions about where a person is at in their life and how they attained that position - and I don't mean as in status. I mean in the happy state that they now reside in, with beautiful children and a loving husband who loves his step-children as much as he loves his own. So now that I know that you are not Libran, please pick up a mirror and take a good look. It's not what you say...it's the way you say it.

Tealou - A book called Painful People or something to that effect:)

*speaks very slowly and clearly as one does when speaking to the intelectually challenged*

Yes, Ufaf. I was aware I had spelled thank you as one word. I was taking the piss out of you. As everyone else would have realised. Even my next door neighbour's brother's, postman's, dog's veterinary surgeon's mother knows and agrees with me. Because she has seventy ten degrees! Hey, did you know seventy ten isn't even a real number? I guess I was taking the piss again, huh!

OMG, I am pissing myself laughing at your description of Leo Granny. You are a true cack. BTW, did you also know that nearly all the greatest leaders in the world have been Leos and that most successful athletes are Leos too. LMAO Anomie - sorry I spelt epitome wrong, thank you sweetheart, have you realised yet you've spelt thankyou as one word - which you clearly abhor? LMAO Oh, and Anomie - what a fantastic man he is to - coming up with such a great insult like Cunt. Now go tell him to be a good boy and scratch his beer gut and pick the food out of his teeth - the remaining ones he has LMAO

Cool Granny, where'd you get that from?

For the record, I did say I hated yuppies, but I was talking about wine and cheese yuppies. I guess I could be considered one in many ways ;)

Oh my goodness!! I just had an epitomy!! Praise the Lord.

LEO

Quality: Fixed. Leo is fixed in its high opinion of itself.
Favourite pastime: Giving orders.
Favourite book: Intimidation made easy.
Dream job: Boss of Bosses
Key Phrase: "You had it coming."

Anywhere you go, you command attention. That's because you are usually carrying a gun. You pick arguments in sports bars just to show everyone who's boss. You assume control of every situation where more than one person is gathered. Your idea of a good career is a profession in which your title is longer than your business card. You spend your evenings scolding at your family. Your temper is like a solar flare. It flashes out, singeing the ears of the hapless person who dared to disagree. Because you have selective memory, you think you are calm, cool and collected and will beat the hell out of anyone who disagrees.


Lions are attention-grabbing, overbearing egomaniacs whose childish, self-centred behaviour is exceeded only by their obnoxious attempts to boss around everyone else. Leos are theatrical, not practical. Their constant need for attention often negates their playful, happy natures. And when they lose contact with that part of themselves, they become selfish tyrants roaring through life creating misery.

What you don't know is that, secretly, everyone hopes you get eaten by a crocodile.

Fine then Anomie, tell me here what has happened? Who has seen the pic and WHERE?

ufaf, it's epitome, with an "e", not "y" ;-). And no, I didn't get my husband to fight my battle for me. See, he is a grown man and perfectly capable of thinking for himself. :-)

And Sam, feel free to say what you will here. I have no desire to enter into a discussion with you in a chat room nor msn, I much rather everything is said out here in the open.

Or am I complete idiot lol, since I don't have a literacy degree lol.

Thanks for getting your lovely husband to defend your battles Anomie - real initiative there. And what charming language he has - sounds like the true epitomy of trailer trash - does he talk like that at the pub with the boys too hon? Let me guess, he's a real looker too? LMAO from the cunt with morals.

Can't remember who said that Alanis song Ironic isn't Ironic. Well wasn't that suppose to be the aim of the song. Ie nothing in the song was actually ironic, therefore calling the song ironic is actually ironic?

Anomie, I see you are back on line now. Can you please speak to me about this either here or in private?

I highly recommend an irony supplement ufaf. ;-)

Oops, I accidentally spelled Psycholigicate, instead of psychological as I was distracted for a second. My apologies. Must be my crazy unhinged state LMAO

Then maybe you should dig them out, dust them off and use them once in a while. Cunt. Now crawl back to your pen and stop insulting my wife. Thankyou. Cunt.

Scary,crazy and unhinged Anomie - well it takes one to know one my Dear - I have no doubts your own psychologicate state is in need of desperate repair as it is constantly fraying at the edges, even as we speak. Yes, the core of Literature is Literacy my dear, but they are two different things - they intertwine yes, but you CANNOT get a degree in Literacy per se if memory serves me correctly.
You only have one partner - what, is that a recent trend of yours? You got a high distinction in your English and Literacy subject at Uni? WHO GIVES A
FUCK? What, you studied ONE unit in English and Literacy and that makes you an expert in Literature. Well, darling, I did a WHOLE degree in English Literature and graduated with honours - I can also tell you I received high distinctions not in one subject, but many. Now, don't be tardy and hurry off to the psychologists couch to repair your deluded sense of self. Oops, and look what else you did - you spelt thankyou as one word. Oops, methinks someone should hang their head in shame considering they got a high distinction in one measly unit of Literature. Just though I'd point out that little gem to you darl. Thank you Thank you. You're a sweetheart!

Yep, Impressed, I am a charming cunt - your'e right - and you love it LMAO At least I'm a cunt with morals LMAO

Oh dear. Scary crazy unhinged ladies are not worth arguing with. I could point out that at the very core of literature is literacy. I could point out that I only have one partner. I could point out that my children were all very much wanted. I could point out that I got a high distinction in in my English and Literacy subject at uni. I could point out that I was indeed crying to my friends because I am human. I could point out that you do indeed smell like poo, as pp's have already said.
But I won't. Cos I have sane rational intelligent people to talk to. I really do hope you get the help you need. But whether you do or not isn't my concern. Sorry, but I just cannot take the word of scary crazy ladies seriously. Neither can all my friends with their twenty eleven degrees in everything, nor all of my cousins or 2 million odd prior sexual partners. Thankyou sweetheart. Thankyou.

"As I said to you before, no woman with any self worth needs a multitude of children to different men unless they feel they need the love and attention they are sorely missing out on in their own lives?"

Yup, still a charming cunt. For someone who professes to know so much you show an astounding level of ignorance. Cunt.

"To me Anomie, sleeping with different men and getting pregnant constantly so as to use children to fill the unhappy void in your life smacks of desperate insecurity and low self esteem, as no woman with any amount of self pride would allow her body to be violated or exploited like that."

You're a charming cunt, aren't you dear?

Anomie - for the record my dear, it is perfectly fine to say someone is condescending - it exists in the english language - to be more precise you can say, as you said, someone speaks in a condescending manner but both can be used interchangeably. And as for the hyphen, you moron, you CAN use socioeconomic without the hyphen- as a teacher on here mentioned it before - and I used it frequently in my university essays - and its Literature, not Literacy you idiot - the two are different subjects. Literacy refers to one's ability to read or the written word whereas Literature refers to the collective of written works. They are two different things. But I guess since you're so fabulous and talented you would know that, my dear?

And please don't refer to me as sweetheart - I have never been your sweetheart, you patronising troll. As for apologising to you, well I eat my words, as you don't deserve an apology. And you know what else is laughable sweetheart? Your references to my use of grammar. Sweetheart, this is the Internet and I have seen your posts on Birth and here and most are devoid of correct syntax and grammar - ooooh syntax - thats a big word for me isn't it sweetheart? It means the way words are arranged in a sentence, and your syntax in your sentences sweetheart is deplorable. Just deplorable. You cannot seem to string an intelligent sentence together coherently or accurately for that matter. So pardon me if I don't separate the word thank you - for your information I do know that it is two words but sometimes I just can't be bothered doing it because I don't believe it really matters on the Internet - we are'nt stiving for the Nobel Prize in Literature on here are we darl?

Everyone abbreviates or makes mistakes on the Internet, because sometimes when you're writing passionately, you forget perfect grammar. Look at your last post defending your experience with DV. It is full of poor grammar, syntax and the inablility to paragraph correctly - if you want to play the English teacher here - but I didn't point that out because to me that seems silly and facetious and really I don't give a shit about grammar on the Internet sweetheart.

And as far as me being bitter, insecure or whatever how can I be when I have a husband that doesn't beat me and adores me and constantly tells me he loves me, not to mention three beautiful children who are healthy and intelligent? I have a happy marriage, and I don't feel the need to have different partners like you to justify my sense of worth. To me Anomie, sleeping with different men and getting pregnant constantly so as to use children to fill the unhappy void in your life smacks of desperate insecurity and low self esteem, as no woman with any amount of self pride would allow her body to be violated or exploited like that. As for me referring to others to back up my argument, that is done in pure fun and is meant to be an anecdotal point in the conversation, not the main thrust of my argument. Most of the time I am being sarcastic, and you have missed this.

Just because I don't like Mel doesn't mean I am jealous of her - like I said before - I have no tolerance for wannabes like her or try hard snobs for that matter. Nor am I jealous of you, or unhappy. Like I said before, if you read my above comment, it seems to me you need to work on your self esteem and get some counselling not me as I think that violent ex of yours has unfortunatly given you VERY low self esteem and transferred some of his anger through to you. As I said to you before, no woman with any self worth needs a multitude of children to different men unless they feel they need the love and attention they are sorely missing out on in their own lives? And you seem to get pregnant time and time again without thinking of the consequences, perhaps because having more children will fill your empty life? And who's insecure and crying over the phone to her friends darl? Not me. I don't cry myself to sleep over something someone says on the Internet - however, someone with low self esteem such as yourself does. I just tell the truth as I see it - and I see an unhappy, lonely, mistrustful woman when I see you Anomie. To also go around and accuse others of deeds they haven't done also smacks of insecurity and you do it constantly.

So before you judge me for being twisted, angry, insecure or whatever, instead of judging me, why don't you take a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror as you are nobody to talk about self esteem and insecurity issues. You are the one who needs to be behind the psychologists desk - and perhaps some anger management and post traumatic stress counselling would serve you just as well. God knows you need it SWEETHEART/

Anomie go into the chat room if you can that Tea mentioned up above.

Well excuse me if I don't seem as intelligent as you, but to me when you accuse me of directing I think you mean telling everyone to look at you as soon as I speak to someone.
I was chatting with some people and showed it to them (as I was looking at it at the time)
If you want to accuse me fine, but please let me know who and when I showed these private pictures of you.

You just said up there ^^^ that "If pointing out who you are in a pic on KatieC’s photobucket account (which is in her sig on birth) then yes I am guilty."
Is this not the same as directing people to her website?

Sheesh, I really ought to remember the old adage "never engage in a battle of wits with an un-armed opponent"!

Jesus, I wasn't "directing" people to her website. I look at EVEYONE's pic's that have them in their sig's on birth. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't what they are there for.
I don't need you to make me feel big about myself Anomie, or anyone for that matter. I like myself just the way I am.
Maybe you should research your facts from whoever gave them to you a little better.

"Why in the HELL would I want to show anyone a pic of you feeding your baby?" By the same token, why in hell would you want to show people pictures of me on Katie's photobucket??? For the same reasons - to make yourself feel big by belittling me of course. Or am I wrong? What were your reasons for directing people to Katie's photobucket?

Give ME a little more credit.
Why in the HELL would I want to show anyone a pic of you feeding your baby?
If you think I would think something like that is funny well accuse me all you like.
But maybe you should get your facts straight before you start throwing accusations around.
Oh, and why the need to beat around the bush accusing me? I am a big girl, I can handle it.

Sam, don't bullshit me please. Give me a little more credit than that! A picture of me breast-feeding my baby has been viewed. The only place said picture has been displayed is in the PRIVATE msn group. Hmm....

UFAF - LMAO you are toooo funny!;-)

My true colours have been exposed have they? And which colours might they be? I don't know that they have even been concealed.

I guess evil might not have been the right word for you. The word evil alludes to intelligence. Sweetheart, anyone can regurgitate big words in the hope that they sound intelligent. The trick is to use them in the right context ;-). See, I doubt anyone with a degree in literacy would accuse people of "condescending them". They may say "please stop speaking to me in a condescending manner" or "I find your attitude condescending". To say someone is condescending you is actually to use incorrect grammar. Also, I agree with whoever it was that said socio-economic does contain a hyphen. I know this because, as you can well imagine, the term came up rather frequently in my social work subjects.
I guess I just find you rather silly with an underlying current of maliciousness. And if I was Tea (whilst acknowledging that it more than likely doesn't bother tea), I wouldn't appreciate you speaking for her - "even though Tea and I hate yuppies with a vengeance" etc. It smacks of insecurity. You always seem to need to back everything up - "my friends all agree with me" or "my husband thinks so too" etc. Well, my friends all have quadruple degrees in everything and they think you are rather silly.
Btw, there is a space in thank you - a person with a literacy degree would hang their head in shame at the use of "thankyou".
I have just reread this and it sounds nasty. Believe it or not, that wasn't the tone I was after. I don't want to be mean to you, I guess I feel kind of sorry for you. I don't want to attack your already fragile sense of self. Please believe me when I say I am not attempting to be nasty here, but I truly think you could use some counselling. I know which side of the psychologist's desk I'd like to see you on. Please. work on your self esteem. Underneath all of that insecurity, there is probably a perfectly nice person just waiting to be let out. But right now, you come across as jealous, bitter, insecure and desperately unhappy. Just saying it how I see it.

Well Anomie
I am assuming it is me you are accusing.
If pointing out who you are in a pic on KatieC's photobucket account (which is in her sig on birth) then yes I am guilty.
Have a wonderful afternoon.

Anomie - nice to see once more what a ''lovely''person you are - your true colours have certainly been exposed once more - I tried to apologise to you about the DV thing and you react by calling me ''evil" Fuck knows why I apologised to you to begin with - I can see you're a lost cause. As for me being an evil person and nasty - well honey, take a leaf or two out of your own book where you tell me not to judge you, yet you are hell bent on judging me with vitriolic words.As far as it goes that I don't know anything about DV - I had friends who were exposed to DV both by boyfriends and parents whilst I was at Uni, so in fact my dear, I have spoken to women who have encountered DV - surprise, surprise.

As for me being evil and nasty -well that's laughable since most of your friends were the ones that said the ''nasty and evil'' things to begin with, and hell, if they want to sling insults at me or my friends, I can give as good as I get Anomie. For those who know me like Tea and the gals on SA, they know I am far from being nasty and evil and far from being a snob. Quite the opposite actually. I detest snobbery in any form.

Oh, and re Mel, Anomie, I am not jealous of a sad person like her who believes she is someone she is not, I know where she lives btw, and for some strange reason feels the need to belittle others on where they live without even knowing that person on a personal basis. She has never met me, yet decided because I live in Westminster I am a skank who smokes bongs LMAO. I told my best friend this one and she couldn't believe such a twit existed on the Internet. The mind boggles.

For the record Anomie, Mel is the one who started the nasty catfight between us and I just put her in her place - not in a very nice way I realise that - but from what I've seen and heard of Mel and her commments here and on Birth, not to mention the numerous negative opinions people hold of her, she deserves it. Anyone who walks around believing they are high and mighty and have alot of wealth, when in fact they don't, need to be put in their place so as to face reality. Tha'ts all I have left to say to you Anomie really.

Actually, Anomie, I am willing to back down on those beliefs, and I think this is where people read far too much into things.

Can I be honest, and say that I do respect what your position is. I don't think anyone doubts it. I think where it got upsetting was where those who were fortunate enough to not have complications etc were telling people who DID how they 1) shouldnt have made the choices they did or 2) somehow caused/could have prevented these things.

As someone else said, it was dragging the debate into another forum, where noone could reply to the ignorant statements, one of which being that Preeclampsia is preventable.

I feel great loss at not having had a natural birth experience, but, thems the breaks. What I do resent is being judged for making the right choices for my circumstances - or being made to feel that my decisions were somehow "naive" or incorrect.

There is a subtle difference that I am sure you appreciate, between expressing an opinion, and making a judgement.

Please don't make assumptions about me, or even that, that I actually give these mummy debates more than I do. Sorry, but you give me too much credit, thinking that I actually care. I have to admit that I have never understood why people can't just live and let live.

Tea,

I am happy to lay this whole petty shit fight to ret. To be honest, I can't ever imagine being your "friend" though. I guess I just don't trust you, y'know? I think that generally you are a good person. But, like me, you have a strong desire to "win" and I can't help but feel you will resort to underhanded tactics to get there. As have I. I am most certainly not an angel. Yes, I was very hurt, angry and extremely defensive at the stuff that was said about my children but I would never claim to be innocent of wrongdoing. Yes, of course we have bitched about you in the mutt. (But I think you'd be sorely disappointed at how little of our site is dedicated to talking about you girls ;-)).
I think the problem with us ever being friends is that we both think very differently and neither of us is willing to back down. Back to the topic that started this shitfight - I believe that natural birth IS better for baby. I believe that breastmilk IS the best food for baby. That is all I have ever said. I have never said that people who have c-sections are fuckwits that deserve to die. I have never said people that bottlefeed deserve their children to die of malnutrition. Peoiple have let their own feelings cloud their ability to really hear that which is being said and they have put their own spin on things. BUT>>>I do believe that people who CHOOSE c-section and bottlefeeding for NON-MEDICAL reasons are doing a great disservice to their children. I stand by that. I strongly believe it. I understand that you strongly believe that it is a woman's right to choose. Here is where our beliefs clash and neither of us is willing to back down. The shame of it is in a lot of other ways, we are both far more similar than either of us would admit ;-). I agree with a lot of your political beliefs. We are certainly similar in that we both love a jolly good debate. And I'm fat too :-D. I don't think you enjoy the nastiness and unpleasantness any more than I do - shit-flinging and witty insults are fun but nasty and vindictive character assassinations are just plain awful
I am happy for you to leave the ignorant DV comments here. I think discussions pertaining to DV are important. If people do hold ignorant, judgemental misinformed views then imo, it is far better to get it out in the open and discussed rather than silence it. I can only hope that UFAF was sincere in her apology and really has learnt something.
And UFAF...you are nothing short of a nasty piece of work. You are just plain evil. And ffs, if you love Mel's pram so much, stop obsessing over it and just bloody well buy yourself one!!! Your jealousy is getting boring. Oh, not that I am trying to start anything ;-)

Tea, I have no gripe with you. I think we can continue to move on. I doubt we will ever cross paths anyway - I am not likely to sign up at SA and you are not likely to sign up at the mutt. And we live on opposite sides of the country. I do think you credit me with far more power than I have. I get the distinct impression that the SA mob all believe that I am responsible for all of this. All of these accusations of all of these nasty things I am supposed to have said are mostly bollocks. People must just read something witty and hilarious and assume it was me that said it *grabs own over-inflated ego, squashes it in ball and sits on it* :-D

Finally, the person that displayed pictures of myself and my children is the lowest form of scum imaginable. For samone to have done that to me and my babies is deplorable and absolutely unforgiveable. And it's not hard to spot who it was ;-). I hope you are proud of yourself. You have violated my children. You are shit.

*Extends olive branch to tea*

*giggles as tea's hand closes around itchy grub*

:-D ;-) Yay, back to childish taunting, it is so much more fun than slagfests!

To Anomie - As I said before I apologise about making any jibes about DV - it certainly isn't something to joke about and I applaud you for having the strength and courage to leave your violent partner. Well done. But you must admit you yourself have judged others - especially members from SA SHOCKINGLY and committed and said some nasty, vitriolic things to Tea and others. When you turn on someone, I have noticed, you can be thoroughly vicious, so I guess it takes one to know one. But this is not meant to spark another argument with you, but for you to say that you are innocent and have done no harm is like the pot calling the kettle black. Nuff said.

To Mel or Her Majesty - nice to see you've stepped down from your ignorant judgemental high horse,not to mention your cowardly behaviour and actually admitted to who you are. I knew all along and yet you still tried to hide who you were.It became pretty obvious as to who you were when you tried, although incorrectly, to guess where I lived and to pass immature judgements on the socioecomic status of Perths suburbs, and the way you referred to my posts on Birth and SA. You are a dead giveaway - I had to laugh lol. Heard the saying "As subtle as a sledgehammer" lol. ]
Do you always judge others on where they live? Because it seems to me, you have a hyperbolic inflated sense of self - yet you accuse me of this - but not once have I EVER judged someone on where they live as I am not a snob, or a wannabe snob for that matter either. Do you still believe I go out and smoke bongs and cuss in public because I live in Westminster? If you do, then I truly feel sorry for you as an educated person with any amount of money would not pass such a judgement without feeling ashamed of themselves. But, I'm not here to start another argument with you as I don't feel you would consider anything I have to say as valid because of where I live lol. Not trying to start another bitchfight, just expressing my sadness at the ignorance of your posts and ideas.

I thought all of this IP stuff was put to bed. I have already been exhonerated as not having shared IPs, and to this day I still do not know how to identify someone by their IP. Yet once again you are falsely accusing me in public, Mel. The people who matter know the truth and that's all that counts.

As for the way you post, it is possible to express your opinion without the nasty jibes and snide comments. No one wants you to hold your tongue, we just want you to leave the other stuff out. I have noticed since your return your posts have been devoid of nasty comments and it's nice to see.

If you weren't Serafina, then I would have wholeheartedly apologised and explained the reasons behind my accusation. But no, it would not have put me in the same "class" as you, because the accusation was made privately (with the aim of figuring out who was behind it), instead of publicly (with the aim of making you look bad).

I have already explained to you why I thought it was you. If you want to believe that it's crap that my instincts told me it was you, well what can I do. And if you had lied and denied it, I would have found you out anyways, because in the past you have used the name Serafina on MSN.

Anyways, this is flogging a well-and-truly dead horse. I will leave it at that.

I have only scanned this discussion and do not have the energy to read the whole thing just thought I would clear something up
I would have come forward about the ip however I was in the process of switching service providers and without the internet for 3 weeks or so. Coming back to birth it had all died down
and Mel, I wanted to come clean so I HAD to get my big sister to do it. just so you know

Shell

I was your friend too, if you remember rightly!! I cared about you, I was so excited, heck, I even started the thread about waiting for Coda to arrive. I NEVER had an issue with you and how active you were, heck, do you see my post count, I am quite an active member too. I never said you led anyone on, we were ALL genuinely interested in you and Coda's birth etc. You post similar to me, you can 'feel' the emotion and I guess that draws people closer and makes them get more involved, its a wonderful way to post and it makes it seem like you know the person personally.

I really, really was shocked with your forum that you had started when I got your PM. Honestly, I had no idea about the epidural thread, it was of no interest to me at the time, I purely thought it was someone asking about them and no one had posted in any other thread in that particular part.

So, yes, it was in anger that I posted, but if you remember correctly, I never even said it was you, I said I couldn't believe that someone would do that. I knew how Catherine and Sandra felt about that kind of thing because someone called YummyMummy did it to them as well and I know how angry they were with her.

I just felt it was wrong to do that. As it turned out the private rooms didn't work anyway, but what was wrong with an MSN group to share photos etc? You always knew you were posting on a public forum from the time you joined up, why did you want the change?

Shell, the divide on birth was imminent, you are truly laying the blame on the wrong person, it lays more with the two different types of parenting, of which I fall into neither category funnily enough. If you remember, I have had two c-section, all the pain relief imaginable, I did breastfeed, but gave up once Poppy's biting became unbearable etc.

If you talking about dividing birth, it would appear that when you PM'ed the people that you did, you caused a great deal of the divide.

I dunno Shell, you just always seem to feel sorry for yourself and see yourself being targeted. I don't want to be nasty, but you really need to take responsibility for your actions and stop feeling sorry for yourself. You are a likeable friendly person, you were a favourite of mine, but you know what, even if I had have kept my mouth shut about the PM you sent me, something else inevitably would have come up anyway.

Phew, got that off my chest!!

Shell, I do hope we can move on from this eventually, I realise you probably won't want to be 'chatty' to me again, I do understand, but I would love it all to calm down so we can all post in peace and not feel judged by everything we say.

Mel

For those that are intersted in a chat, I have set up a temporary chat room here: http://tealou.com/flashchat/


EVERYONE is welcome and I hope we can start being friends.

T

Hello everyone,
I was hoping this might all clear up without me coming into it but nope!

Mel – Let’s put it all out there shall we…. The way I see it you caused the divide on Birth, you caused SA to go from a forum for Private rooms to something more filled with women who had become victims of the Debate threads on Birth. And YOU are the only one that can fix it….yet you continue to sound like you didn’t do anything wrong. You where the ONLY person that had any negative comments about my PM and you made them very clear in a public thread. You made Catherine and Sandra act quickly and irrationally and Ban me from Birth without even a word to me. Once they had been sent a copy of the PM and visited SA they realised they made a mistake. You can’t seem to do that though can you?
Then you emailed me about sourcing IP’s from Birth. I didn’t reply to your email because it was so out of line and incorrect it wasn’t even funny. Other than asking for Katie’s IP address (again I STRESS that it wasn’t asked for in a negative fashion, I would have actually liked Katie at SA) I had nothing to do with any of the information gained from birth. NOTHING AT ALL.
You accused me of having Moderators on the inside of Birth that was getting numerous IP’s for me so I could work out who Serafina was. Serafina was yours and Bron’s issue, not mine. You must have then worked out that I had nothing to do with it, but did I get an email then saying sorry for accusing me if your first extremely rude email? I don’t think so. I can post it here if you have forgotten it.
SA was created for Private rooms because Birth wouldn’t do them. Catherine understood that, Sandra understood that, everything that came to SA understood that except you.
And you continue to say that I received the most support of anyone on Birth…. I was a very active member, I had a lot of friends and many people where interested in me and Coda. You say it like it is a bad thing and I led them on? Those people have continued to show there support (including Catherine which is why I am giving the TTC area of Birth a try again on advice from her to not give up on the Birth forum).
Perhaps it is because I am a nice person? Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought I would be in a disagreement like this with anyone, never would I have thought that I would be abused continually in Public forums. That is just not my nature.
I would really like it if you could understand what I am trying to say and realise that I was not recruiting people from Birth. You had no reason to be “Shocked and Angry”, you over-reacted. Is that so hard to say?

Katie – You say that the term “Cunt” being passed on out of your forum was a case of people talking about things they did not understand and was taken out of context when it left your forum… I find it pretty hurtful only because Yastesticles decided to come to SA and brand me with that term all over the Public forum.
I find your comments about leaks from TBM to be very very hypocritical, you too where given info from SA which has people talking about you. You confronted me about it and I asked you to tell me what I said! I can be backed up many many times defending you to people on SA so I don’t understand what you read, I have said that before. We where friends, and pretty good ones I thought. Although reading through your posts here now I am beginning to think that I wasn’t one of the people you considered a friend before all of this… Is that true? Where we just acquaintances?

As for our Parenting style labels….. Well that is all just funny now isn’t it? Negligent parents vs. the ferals, what an amazing combination. As many of you know I am have far more Feral blood in me than anything else. As for Coda’s birth, every way I conduct myself and my parenting style is Natural and attached! The term Feral came from the way a pack of woman would hunt down people and drill them on how there Child shouldn’t be here as part of natural selection. This was said to me on Birth, and in PM’s from such Ferals and I took huge offence. Wouldn’t you? They then continued to find anyone else they could to say such things.

I think by now we have all seen that perhaps we aren’t as different as we thought we where.

Sorry for the novel... thought I should put it all out there and once and be done with it.

Another thing Bron

What if it HADN'T been me, and I had been the innocent one on the end of the email you sent me?? Wouldn't that put you in the same 'class' as me. You say you were going on an instinct which was crap, I could have lied right there and then and denied it and demanded you apologised to me, but no, I did apologise.

Would it make you feel better if I were to start a thread right now apologising? What would you gain from it considering I already apologised privately and I would be naive to think that those emails sent back to you were kept private wouldn't I? I am sure they would have been forwarded to everyone who was getting their nails into that at the time.

Bron

I really thought that the emails that were generated between us was an apology, I know that I apologised to you and I even mentioned that I was quick to 'assume' it was you as it was Shell that had asked you for the IP address.

Really, did you want me to apologise to you when Ker put up the Serafina's Slaughterhouse, did you really want me too, or was it just to get some sick satisfaction out of it? I've paid my dues, I've lost friends out of this, give it a rest. What Ker did to me, was just as bad, if not worse, I did NOT kick up a stink in the slightest. And you know what? You all must have been in the private rooms of SA figuring out IP's, as a moderator Bron, really, you should have known better, its totally unacceptable to do that. Obviously someone also spread that I had been banned for two days, once again, I thought what was in the moderators rooms was to be left in there and not shared with all and sundry.

You see, this is what pisses me off. The fact that yes, I did something wrong, but you are all doing just as bad, just in sneakier ways.

My posts have never been any different to the day I started posting all those years ago. Yes, I post with passion, but nothing has changed. What has changed is the way you view me now, I understand that you probably will never be 'friendly' with me again, thats fine, but please, don't read my posts if you will find them offensive. To be honest, I really can't think of one single post that I would think I have posted recently that you would be offended by??

I would just like to be given the same chance that other people have been given by some of you who follow the Shell bandwagon. I am not a bad person, I just see things for how they are and perhaps I should bite my tongue in future if something irks me.

I just ask you to look at your 'friends' on SA and ask yourself is what they do any worse than what I have done, I really think you'd surprise yourself.

Once again Bron, if Lolli had been a true mate, she would have stood up and confessed a lot earlier than have her big sister do it, for what I see, she is just as much to blame and of course Shell for asking for it in the first place :(

Katie,

Yes, you did publicly apologise for the IP thing, but accused me privately - this was the right thing to do. On the other hand, Mel apologised privately (and only when confronted), but accused publicly, the motivation for which could only have been to make me look bad (why else would you do it, and hide behind a false name?). Therein lies the difference.

Ok, since we are coming back to this, a few things Bron.

One, I had already publicly apologised for the IP thing, so everyone already knew it was not you who gave it out. Mel saying anything in public would not have changed anything.

Secondly, when Ker posted that night telling everyone it was Mel - you, along with several of your friends jumped in straight away with exclamations of "It was Mel??" *insert shocked face here*. Why were you so shocked? You all knew already it was Mel, and you yourself had PM'd me that morning to tell me. So why the theatrics?

What Mel did was wrong, but it was not 'spiteful and vindictive' - she posted what she did in the genuine belief that you HAD handed out the IP. Yes she was wrong, but it was not a personal attack on you. In the meantime, where was Lolli standing up and saying "You know what, it wasn't Bron, it was me"? Or her public apology to me? Where was your public apology to Chrissy for wrongly accusing her of telling me stuff from your private conversations?

Not that there should have been any of these, but they were all along the same lines of what Mel did.

Cara, I have very limited net access at the moment, but will email you next week.

Lol Tea, sounds like you might be a mole for a Cammy?

I was going to leave this whole thing alone, until I was mentioned by name.

Mel, I openly admit that I have not forgotten the Serafina Incident. As you will recall, there was only one apology, and that was given only after I privately confronted you - not as a genuine public apology. Indeed, I can't understand why you are unwilling to apologise publicly, when you think it is OK to humiliate someone publicly. Nevertheless, while I have not forgotten, I have not raised the matter since. The Serafina Incident was a spiteful and vindictive thing to do, and to be honest, when I read it you were the very first person who came to mind, due to the manner in which you have posted in the past.

Believe it or not, I take your posts as they come, not as opportunities to get you. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, I find the way you express yourself on occasion to be inconsiderate and judgemental. Quite often I see remarks that can only be described as spiteful, and it is this more than anything else that I take offense to, and feel obliged to respond to. It seems that others have noticed the same as I understand that other Birth moderators have contacted you about the way you post, and you have received a number of warnings before your recent suspension.

well, i always say if you can't say something nice, come sit by me ;)

i understand katie, and i didn't expect you to reply and don't hold that against you in any way. i just feel the way things turned out it might have been better for a bit of communication a long time ago, no matter what kind. but... hindsight etc. like i said, i don't have any issues, but if there is anything you want to lay to rest, you can email me at saqqaramama@gmail.com

Cara, I didn't reply to your PM (which you said you didn't expect me to) for a good reason, it wasn't that I was being nasty and ignoring you, it is that I was pissed off and had nothing nice to say. Anything I had to say at that stage would have only turned into an argument, and I had opted out of that shit. You know the saying, if you don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all?

If you want to take it up privately now, then I would be fine with that... at the time I was just too sick of being accused of shit that I didn't do or say.

Cheers,
K

Fuck Be, I'd be their mole for a million dollars.

We can ALL be bought. lol.

No I don't know Janet at all.

Just as well you don't need another mole, cause I wouldn't be anyones (unless you were going to reward me with say a million dollars or something).

ok - look - I realise what I wrote earlier today looks like i'm saying hey lets not lay blame and then doing just that, but that wasn't my intention. i actually did say i didn't want to lay blame AT ONE PERSON'S FEET. what i said about mel is common knowledge, i'm sure nobody clutched their chest in shock at it, it was purely an explanation to her why someone who 'doesn't know her' would automatically not like her.

btw mel, I didn't recruit Tan to Birth. I actually only found out she was a member when someone PM'd me and asked me if i thought she was a troll in the formula feeding thread!!!

You know, katie, when I sent you that email I did it in good faith, in the interest in clearing the air. It would have been great if you had replied to me, asking the question you've asked here. We could have discussed it. As it is, time has passed and I really can't play the who said what to whom game. I apologised and that still stands, and with you I have no issue. Other people's problems with you are their own.

Erm Be, do you even KNOW Janet? :P

I don't need another mole anyways, Mel is my mole :)

Well thanks for the support even though I was a total bitch lol.

As for the spelling thing well if my memory is correct, some said they will not read posts unless they are paragraphed correctly. Anyway I know it wasn't you, actually now I don't really know why I brought it up, except it was an illustration of how unfriendly the place became.

If you want to know what I was accused of *laughs* it was that I was apparently a mole for you and Janet at SA.

Okay Be, I understand the shoe thing. Thanks for the post in the bullying thread too, we have it sorted for the moment and I am sleeping again lol

No fanks Mel... I like to live in ignorant bliss that my $80 eBay Pram is fine :)

Tea

Well, maybe if you're noice to me, you can have a turn of it one day lol.. Although maybe your friend Vixen won't want to know you anymore LOL (that was in humour BTW)

oh and Mel, I didnt think it was you because your Ip shows a Vic Optusnet account... obviously all optus connections route through Victoria... Sorry, but i had no idea who you were lol.

I also need to out myself, even though I am sure it is abundantly obvious...

We were having a larf the other night on MSN and I reregistered on birth as Serafina32. I was NEVER going to flame, or do anything nasty, I was just having some harmless fun. It was such an OBVIOUS troll I knew I'd get found out straight away... and I did.

But know that this is a first, and I normally would not do such a thing. It was just a bit of fun after getting overly revved up about this whole thing.

I dont have a Cammy, cant afford one, and yes I'm jellus ;) lol

Mel, the shoe thing wasn't actually aimed at you well not in a nasty way anyway, there were other people who wrote about it, and you were last so you were 'fresh' in my mind, but I wasn't actually trying to have a go at you, I merely couldn't understand why people pay alot of money on shoes and then hand them down. When I posted the next post to you (on your bub getting bullied) I actually asked someones advice to make sure it wasn't rude or if you would take offence.

Thanks for the apology Be :)

A few things I wanted to clear up. Sure I might be over-opinionated, or even over bearing or whatever you want to call it. But unless I KNOW someone is having a go at me, I always try and put my views across in a polite manner. A lot of us have strong views on things, and I don't see the problem with that if everyone can be to the point and not personal. If anyone has ever (fairly) told me I offended them, I have apologised and tried to rephrase what I have said.

Of course you heard that my 'side' started it - if you had have talked to us first, you would have been told quite the opposite. There are two sides to every story. And it is unfair that anyone (from either side) is lumped together as a collective person, even if my 'friends' did start all this trouble (which I do not believe btw), no-one has been able to point out anything I said MYSELF that was nasty.

I know you had health problems with Jade, and if you look back in the threads you started about it, and threads where you were asking for advice about Evan, I ALWAYS offered advice and support - this was despite seeing some of the not so nice stuff you had said about me.

As far as the thread I started - if you recall, the thread I started was actually asking why some Australians say 'Mom' and not 'Mum', nothing to do with anyones spelling and grammar. Sure, the thread did go in that direction, but I never posted about it. I interpreted Mel's post at the time to be in relation to people who do not even attempt to post in a readable way - like using text language (I may have commented on the text thing, I can't recall for sure, but it shits me too), not people who just don't have great spelling and grammar. But I could be wrong too, I can't speak for her.

As for what you were 'accused' of, to be 100% honest, I have no idea what you are talking about, or what that even was. I'm sorry it happened if it was untrue, but I can't comment otherwise as I know nothing about it.

Cheers,
K

Okay, now I know I said I was opting out of this, but another couple of things have popped up and I would like to address them, especially considering we are in a 'nicer' mood today lol.

In regards to the Shell's new forum PM I received, honestly girls, when I opened that PM I was so shocked. For a start, I hadn't even read the epidural thread (which started it all really), secondly, in all honesty, so many people including Catherine and Sandra had given Shell so much support, you have to admit girls, she got more support and everyone was so very excited when Coda was arriving and all, I just could not believe that she was sending PM's recruiting people. I realise now that I probably should have just gone straight to C & S, but I was just really angry and it was a heat of the moment thing. I really don't feel like I need to apologise to Shellfowler as what she did was actually wrong too.

Secondly, the Serafina incident. Yes, I admit, that was wrong, I apologised NUMEROUS times to Bron, she cannot seem to get past it though and seems to enjoy making it hard for me to post without picking my post to pieces. It was once again as I explained in my many emails to Bron information given to me and what was copied and pasted on the Serafina thread was how I received it, there at that stage was no information that it was actually from Lolli. Lolli should have been a big girl and come forth earlier and it mightn't have gone so far, but once again, another heat of the moment thing.

Tea, I don't really think I actually have ever disagreed with you, so as far I am aware, we should be 'cool' :).

Vixen, well, what do I say, she was recruited to birth by I would think Binky to cause trouble with me, I have nothing really to say about that, but you all seem to think I am horrible (which really does hurt as those who know me, know that I am a nice person), yet instead of trying to get over what happened to your buddies, you keep on refreshing the bitterness all the time. For gods sake, if you don't like me, I can handle it, please don't make silly jibes about prams, second hand shoes etc, its so immature girls, and so blatantly obvious what you are scheming. Be, the second hand shoe post was directed at me, I did see other posts with second hand shoes in them, but it was ONLY when I posted that you arked up and it wasn't until around then that I realised that we weren't friendly, once again, another person I have never had a run in with who has jumped on the bandwagon.

I could go on and on, but we have a pooey nappy, so I might come back later and say a couple of more things.

It is really nice to see things could actually settle down between a few of us, I find myself upset sometimes about how birth has changed, everyone used to be so much more supportive (including myself) now it has just gone to c-section and booby politics, so silly!

Firstly Katie I would like to apologise for any nastiness I may of said about you in the past. I honestly think you have some very interesting things to say, but I do think at times you can be very over bearing. In saying that though I know it was also my own insecurities and disappointment about certain areas of my own parenting that made me so angry at you.

When I was giving birth to Evan and had health problems with Jade when I came out I felt like I needed the support of my friends at the website, and when I managed to get on it, it was an awful place. The side of the story I heard was that it was your 'gang' who started it. To this day I am still very confused about what happened, but in saying that I don't really care anymore. I then turned to SA for the support I was looking for, and shamefully got caught up in the cat fight. I was then accused of something I would never do, in a horrible way, and was deeply offended. It was at a very emotionally vulnerable time in my life.

Another thing I have to say that really pissed me off (and remember I was post natal lol) was a thread started I think by you katie about people who have poor spelling and grammar skills, someone (I think Mel?) said she wouldn't even read a post by someone of it was not 'correct'. It is no secret I am terrible at grammar and spelling (even though the post was probably not aimed at me), economics and maths is what I am good at. But I found the thought of people judging others on their grammar to be very sad and disturbing.

Now I have a wonderful b/feeding relationship with my son, and can see why people 'push' it so much. When I see a baby getting bottle fed I don't judge the mother at all, but feel sad that they don't have what I do with my son, something that could never be explained in words.

I am sure you are all wonderful women in your own way, and wish you all the best in the future.

LMAO Sad, Sad people.

For the record, noones farts are smellier than mine. I eat Lentils.

Hye guys, I just emailed Katie, not because I want to hide anything, but because I dont feel it is appropriate to be discussing nitty gritties in such a public place.

If you want to see the content of my email, just ask.

email me Katie. I lost your address.

What do you get if you cross a Black Mutt and a Realistic Parent?

A CatFight - LMAO :)

Well I can see you all have slept on it and your better judgement has reared its head.

Finally.... We are seeing glimpses of those witty, intellegent Women that you all claim to be. Good On ya lets continue the love in..

Binky, Binky, Binky - You cant say lets be nice and then turn around and stick another knife in - thats not playing fair now is it? Hollymama I dont think you should give anyone else an apology, not now anyway.

Tea - If you wish we could start a debate about the merits of Farting in bed. Im sure it could cause a divide those that believe that farts help keep the bed nice and cosy and those that feel it interrupts the chee of a good nights sleep. I can only assume that would bring out more childish behaviour "Your farts are smellier than mine - Nah Nah Nah Nah"

And... For the record You ALL have saggy hairy tits and MINE are the ONLY perky, perfect ones around here.

Good Day to you all, go play with your kids and remind yourself of whats important.

So go ahead and out people then Tea.... I don't have anything to hide and am also perfectly willing to do so. There is one person I will not name, but they also aren't a troll or anything of the like, they are simply someone who thought I should know what my 'friends' were saying about me.

Binky, don't you see what you have just done? Said you weren't laying blame, or pointing fingers, yet had yet another go at Mel. Yet where are you naming what your 'friends' have done? Yup, Mel shouldn't have done the Serafina thing. She apologised. Why go on about it? You and someone else also did some stupid thing along those lines too, quoting 'serafina' in a post later on. More grown up than Mel? I don't see how. You talk about poor humiliated Shell and Bron too, what bullshit. Now I am not actually having a go at either of them here, only pointing but both of them have also said and done stuff that they can't be proud of, so why make them the victims? You told me via PM that you actually didn't have a problem with me, you were just sticking up for Shell because she is your friend. Fair enough. Yet the million dollar question is still what I ever did to Shell? No-one seems able to answer that yet. Sure I had a go at her for some of the nasty stuff she had said about me, but I confronted her myself, via email, in a factual discussion, no name calling involved :)

Actually, what I did to any single one of you would be a good question to ask. Besides commiting the crime of being over-opinionated (on a public message board of all places - the nerve!?) of course. You know, some of you I didn't think much of to start with, but some of you I also genuinely thought I got along well with (Skye, Be, etc) until I start getting sent all this nasty stuff that had been said about me in your 'private rooms'. Yet all of this still ends up the fault of us nasty ferals.

And binky, while I do like your idea of saying what you have to say 'on birth.com' you simply cannot. Look at how that thread turned out anyway, and that was with a lot of people restraining themselves. Hell, I got shot down for saying I PERSONALLY did not understand how someone would choose to have a c/section! Not that I thought no-one should be allowed, or I thought they were stupid for it, or any other such thing, just that I couldn't understand it myself. The problem with that thread was that many people chose to read what they wanted to read, or what they assumed others REALLY meant, rather than just taking the post at face value. So of course it is easier to go and have a discussion amongst others that share the same ideas as you.

I have to say that I am mildly disappointed everyones being so nice. I've been enjoying all this traffic to my site. LOL.

I would also love to see the nastiness stop. Like Téa, I love a good debate, and I am sorry that some things got so personal, especially in regards to personal lives and children. (and i'd like to add that anything I have posted here, or anywhere else for that matter, I have put my name to and I am not an anonymous poster.)

In regards to what 'this whole thing' was about, I personally think it is twofold.

First, there was what started as a spirited debate that fast became really personal for a lot of people (which I didn't really understand why, these sorts of discussions go on all the time all over the www and rarely end this way), and also became an 'us' vs 'them' which was obviously an error, since I personally don't think ONE post in the medicalised debate thread could be taken as the opinion of any whole group, nor do I think there were just 2 sides to it, and just as I and my friends have differing opinions on many subjects, i'm sure you all do too. I'm not sure why it went that way. I know things got heated when it was pointed out that the epidural thread was being discussed elsewhere, and from my own perspective I was annoyed at that, particularly as participants in the original epidural thread on birth didn't address posts that were made on birth WITHIN birth, but denegrated them elsewhere. If you're going to say something, say it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and to have their view challenged.

Secondly, Hollymama posting about shell's forum is, in my eyes, bad form. I, personally, do not believe it was posted out of moral outrage at shell's apparent actions. She was banned because of that thread, not because of what she had done. I think Mel owes shell an apology for that. But that is not my place to request or accept, and I'm merely putting this here as a clue as to why some people don't like Hollymama. I'm saying 'some people' because it is not my place to name them. Shell is my friend, and a good friend, and she is not unethical or deliberately mean. She doesn't even get involved in most of what goes on, and rarely has a bad word to say about anyone. Those who know shell were pissed off on her behalf, and at those who stood by Hollymama and her actions. Of course there is the 'serafina' incident as well, another case in which hollymama should have dealt with her misguided information privately, rather than publicly humiliate Bron, another person who should be furthest from your mind when you think of a troublemaker.

Like Téa has said, and I have said also, I don't think anyone is innocent in this, I have acted childishly and have apologised for that, and would be glad to see an end to the bullshit. I'm not pointing fingers or laying blame at one person's feet, I am merely trying to explain where some people are at, in hopes of a resolution.

Yep Katie, yes, I meant this morning.

You know what? You're right. I dont mind being a cunt...I find the word "mainstream" more offensive lol.

For the record, I dont know who you think it was that shared the information, but I can assure you that it wasn't who you might think.

Others may be into the whole "spy and espionage" business, but frankly, I don't have the time! I have been spending far too much time here as it is, and only because its my own website.

I am currently really busy establishing my business to worry about it. lol. As I said in my previous post, I really do believe in live and let live.

And can I say that I believe that people who snoop, or share information, are pretty low. They seem to be a different class of people, who get enjoyment out of causing trouble.

I think a way to move forward might be to out these people for who they really are and just move on.

That would be later as if in this morning later. I also posted nothing anonymously.

"Using word filters that replace “cunt” with “mainstream mother"
See, this would be a classic example of people talking about things they know nothing about. This is a private joke in a private forum - an 'in' joke as such. I do not feel obligated to explain, but all of the members of TBM know what this is about, and we have a couple of 'mainstream' (in the true sense of the word) members who laughingly call themselves the cunts. Because they know what the joke is.

So you see, it is only when people start talking to other people about stuff they don't truly understand that problems arise. So if this word subsitution was hurtful, the hurt was only caused by the person who shared this information - hence why they are no longer welcome at TBM.

Cheers,
K

Oh and thanks for saying my kids are gorgeous :)

Wow, Shell... Sorry, I only just go up as I stayed up working last night... haven't read these until now.

First up, I would like to apologise for anything I have said to make you cry. That is JUST NOT ON. Like I said before, what started as some innocent little jibes (the stuff I like...) has gotten well and truly out of control on BOTH sides - the point where I am now hurting for EVERYONE. I can take the insults, and as you've seen I can fling shit as good as any monkey... but it was NEVER meant to be like this. For me it was always about a little bit of innocent taunting that was clearly tongue in cheek. Never would I have thought that Anomie had to DEFEND why she stayed in a violent relationship. I am sorry.

The nastiness really needs to stop. I don't want people crying, nor feel they have to defend their parenting choices, especially mistakes we've made along the line. We all make mistakes. Thats what parents do!

This is EXACTLY what this whole thing has been about, at least for me (I can't speak for others) -- that no matter what your parenting choice, people should NOT be derided for it.

Using words such as "negligent parenting" or using word filters that replace "cunt" with "mainstream mother", or, on the flipside, saying stuff about saggy or hairy boobs, makes us ALL culpable and ALL equally to blame for this pettiness.

I don't even understand where the division is. I never have. UFAF and Binky both had natural births. I breastfed. Some of you guys had c-sections. I had Preecmlampsia twice, something which was never my fault and threatened both me and my children's lives.

Can't we just respect that and move on without personalising it? I think that, before this all went down, I was doing a pretty good job at trying to keep the peace between both "camps". Of course, sometimes I failed. And its a shame I have now been banned (and deservedly - I still cant believe I wrote what I wrote), because I do have a perspective I want to share.

Anyway, back to what you wrote Shell. Before all of this, you and I were friends. We have both had very hard lives and thats why it hurt me so much that we were fighting like this. Please know that I am genuine in my desire to bury the hatchet and work things out if you want to.

And Yes, I do have access to IPs and can confirm that Katie came in later on, as did Shell.

And McKee, I know we've had our differences but know that I want to just move on. I do beleive you have the wrong end of the stick about me, and I apologise for saying Dylan is ugly. She is NOT. And I am ashamed of myself for stooping to that level of nastiness. Forgive me.

Oh and for the record, I find making 'fat jokes' about others abhorrent. Almost as repugnant as joking about other peoples children being ugly.

"I am taking guesses at how you are and I have a pretty good idea. You seriously need to get over yourselves…especially you KatieC. You are not so crash hot youself."

Hi Wowza - and that other lovely person (or is it you again?) telling me to get over myself.

As I am sure tealou will be happy to confirm, this is the first, and only time I have posted on this blog. This is actualy the first time I have even READ this part of this blog - in fact, I gave up reading halfway through because I couldn't stand the bullshit. So go take your pathetic little pot shots and aim them at someone else who gives a fuck ok?

As far as making or not making TBM public, that is no-ones decision to make but mine and the other administrators. Just as we have not trolled here or any other website, we don't want any of you there, reading or posting. It's that simple. I fail to see what part of that you guys don't understand. Nothing to hide, some of us just don't want to talk to you ok?

Cheers,
Katie

Anomie

You are a brave lady to put that all out there. You know you are fabulous, all of 'us' know you are fabulous and well, if others want to sling off at your boobs and your children, its just their insecurities really isn't it?

As for me, well, I believe I will always have certain 'issues' with someone here. I thought maybe if I got everything out that I wanted to say it might help relieve me of the frustration of not being able to say it on Birth or it being edited, but it hasn't. And I am not going to stoop down to her level any longer. She will always have a ridiculous to comment to sling back until she is blue in the face, the more I argue, the wilder and more angry she gets, its a no win situation. I was her 'bait' long before she even got a chance to know me, for what reason I was targeted, I don't know, I find it pathetic that someone would be 'out' for me so to speak without even knowing me.

Vixen, YOU are the one who keeps bringing up the pram talk, I am not interested in what you have to say, honestly! Its a fucking pram for crying out loud, shut up about it. If I like it, then kudos to me, it was money well spent for me.

On that note, I am opting out of this for now. I am not feeling any less frustrated about this whole thing than I did yesterday morning, Tealou, thank you for allowing me to keep my posts here (unlike birth), it has been good to see the true colours of some people, its made me realise that no matter what, with some people there is just no point arguing the point, they will always want the last word and to be nastier and meaner and sling more insults, oh well, I am glad that I can leave with my dignity still intact. I will also say, that I have taken no offence to anything said about me, to tell you the truth, I just found it really quite funny.

Oh and yea Tea and Binky, it has been mentioned on BM that you have gorgeous kids, I will second that!

Ciao

I have to agree. I do think that we should be able to discuss things in a mature manner withouth resorting to personal attacks. It is obvious that many of the women in here have degrees and are intelligent, so bring it on. Real, healthy debate rather than pure hatred. If anyone is interested in REAL debate without the nasty insults and childish behaviour. Perhaps a forum should be started for that, rather than clogging up Tea's blog.

I think you might find that a lot of us from both sides have many things in common.

Ok, let's just clear some things up shall we? Tea, do you have access to people's IP addresses on your blog? If so, you will see that I certainly wasn't the person calling you fat, nor ugly. That certainly isn't my style. I would indeed be a pot calling a kettle black. And yet UFAF, you are one to talk about assumptions! My god woman, you have made sooo many incorrect assumptions about me that it sounds to me as though you are talking about a completely different person. You don't know me. You haven't a clue who I am, how I think or how well I care for my children. You don't know my circumstances, you don't know how I live and how I think. Don't you dare sit there spouting your vitriolic yet completely untrue judgements at me. I feel like I need to defend a few things here, all of which are personal and nobody elses business but ffs, UFAF, you need to be pulled up.
Firstly, I am not on Centrelink payments. At all. I don't receive one red cent. If in doubt, see if you can get hold of a copy of Ipswich's local rag of two days ago - the QT. Read letters to the editor. In there, you will find a letter from me discussing Centrelink and their lack of compassion. You see, we are expected to live on $125.00 per week without Centrelink assistance. So here's us, struggling desperately to keep our heads above water (fortunately, my husband has managed to get a new job quite quickly and we will be fine) and there's you completely flapping your big judgemental misinformed jaws about me being a dole bludger!
Yes, I have been on Centrelink in the past. That is what it is there for. Whilst I was on centrelink payments however, I was a single mum of four and caring for them with no outside support and going to uni by day and studying by night. As soon as I had the means to get off centrelink payments, I did so. How fucking dare you judge me.
As for my children, I am so angry that you could try to use them to hurt me. I am perplexed that you even feel the need to hurt me but that is by the by. Yes, I had my first baby when I was 17. You know what? I am so fucking proud of that child and proud of myself for who she has become. She is 11 now and the is the smartest, most gorgeous, funny, witty, confident, talented child you could ever imagine. A lot of that is just who she is. A percentage of it is because I have parented her a certain way. I should be ashamed? I don't fucking think so! Against the odds, I raised that child to become the beautiful person she is. Fuck yeah, I made some mistakes. I did some silly stuff. Getting pregnant at 16 wasn't ideal. But I made the best of the situation and did damn well.
And yes, I was with a violent man for 6 years. You have no idea of the complexities of domestic violence. You could never comprehend why women stay because I very much doubt you'd be willing to actually ask them and then really listen to their response. But I ca asure you, IT WAS NOT MY FAULT!!! And you not what? I am not ashamed of that either! I have never tried to hide the fact that I was physically, mentally, financially and sexually abused by my ex partner. Because it isn't my shame, it is his. I left. Yay me. I am so proud that I had the strength and courage to take my children out of that situation. I am so proud that I survived instead of becoming yet another spousal homicide victim. Who the fcuk are you to judge me? Yep, due to his fathers anger, my son has issues. You know this because I vented about it once in the hope that someone could help me to help Jake heal. Because you see, I love my children. I didn't just spread my legs for any random man that happened to have a hard-on handy. You have no fucking idea. I n the course of that 6 year relationship, I had 3 children to that man. I know my reasons for having them to him and I am currently feeling too violated and bruised to share those reasons.
After I left him, I was single for 18 months. It was just me and my kids - a time for healing and growing. I then met my current partner - my husband. Yes, I am married. All nice and respectable and our child was born in wedlock. Not that I think that that is any indication of respectability you understand, but because I feel I have been so badly judged I thought I'd add that. I am in a long term stable relationship with a wonderful, amazing, intelligent gentle man who has been an amazing support to my children.
As to the discussion of breasts and body shape - darn right I have the body of a mummy. I have had had 5 babies. I am proud of my body - not because it could be displayed in some glossy-paged magazine (well, maybe as a "before" shot in a diet ad) but because it carried, nurtured, birthed and fed my babies. Yay me. Oh and for the record, my breats aren't hairy. Saggy? Fuck yeah but not a wayward hair to be seen. And you know what? Even if they were hairy, a true feminist couldn't give a flying fuck! In fact, one of my good very feminist friends back home had a full blown beard. Attrative? I don't really think so. Her right to leave it there without being ridiculed by the likes of you UFAF? Absofuckinglutely.
There was so much more I wanted to address but I am feeling beaten. Hey, the feeling I have now is not unlike the feeling I got when my ex had lost his temper. Battered bruised and hurting even though I've done nothing wrong. Someone has lashed out and hurt me because they are hurting - oh, it all seems so familiar!
I'll finish with this: LEAVE MY CHILDREN OUT OF THIS! They are innocent little kids who have nothing to do with this nasty petty bitchfight.Say what you want about me (it'd certainly help if the accusations you choose to throw at me are true) but leave my children alone. No child is ugly and no child deserves grown women sitting around scoffing at them and denigrating their features. Tealou, your kids are gorgeous. You are curious as to what has been said on the mutt? That is one thing we have posted about you. And binkys kids are also gorgeous...alll bloody kids are gorgeous, to look at a child and see ugliness is to have ugliness already there in your eyes.
I would also just like to thank my friends for jumping to my defense. Some of them copped the unfortunate brunt of me crying and deeply hurt sobbing down the phoneline. I am not some hard-arsed non-feeling nasty bitch you all seem to think I am. I hurt too.
Now can we please move on? Can we discuss things, even argue heatedly, without resorting to calling people's children ugly and suggesting their breasts might be hirsute?

All of you guys need to grow up, seriously. Who gives a shit if Téa is "fat" or is insulted by asking if her purchases are on layby. Seriously. This is HER blog and a place for HER thoughts. If you guys don't like what she has to say, fuck off - don't read it. I think it's funny that you come here to attack her, too. Obviously she doesn't give a shit what you think - if she did, she wouldn't have a comment section. It scares me that you have children - I can't imagine what you're teaching them about judging other people. I thought Australia was supposed to be a "laid back" country. Fuck, you guys should all move to America!

I prefer knobgobbler myself. Thats just a personal preference, in more ways than one :)

Wow! It's not hard to get a rise out of you UFAF is it? Number 1: I was not judging you. I was...??that's right; giving my own subjective opinion in a way that is much nicer than yours and yet here you are, jumping in my face before the ink has even dried. Is it because I said I was defending 'my friend'? Would it make any difference if I hadn't made that up? That this person was indeed unknown to me and I was just curious as to what your reaction would be? Would you have automatically judged me then? I understand that the full moon can play havoc on emotions but your attitude - as clever as it seems in getting people to respond to you - is very defensive, very childish and yes..still very Libran:) And by the way - please don't use that word anymore. It really is horrible.

Your eyes tealou? I see the light :)

Granny - I am far from being a yuppie- thats hilarious. But thankyou for thinking Im a young urban professional, even though Tea and I hate yuppies with a vengeance. And BTW, I am not a Libran, fucktard, I am a Leo. FUCKTARD. God, I love that word. And since it annoys you, I will continue to use it FUCKTARD.
As far as not knowing abuse you moron, I grew up with a mother who prevented me from seeing my father and emotionally abused me for yrs. So before you get on your imaginary soapbox you fucktard, you should never pass judgement on me as you don't know me. Hypocrisy from the ferals again.I know all about abuse honey - I had one close friend who was subjected to abuse from her parents since she was a newborn - so don't assume I don't know you fucktard. Patronising and condescending me doesn't hurt me because it displays your blatant ignorance.
Earlier on, I had one of your fuckwit friends judge me on the suburb I lived in - and you women judge everyone else who is not an AP parent - so who's the judgemental moron here?

What about my eyes, Granny?

(Annoyed that its not all about me anymore ROFL - maybe you're right ...haha I must be a masochist.)

It has been a blast psycho-analysing you all; especially you UFAF. Your apology was given out of regret and although it was big of you to do so, I would advise you in future to use a percentage of that mensa intelligence and think about what comes out of your mouth. Bravo to you, also, for being able to stoop to the levels of us lesser persons. But I'll let you in on a little secret - you were't stooping darling. You were on your imaginary soapbox that so many people with your judgemental, one-sided and totally subjective ideals like you have. You know nothing of abuse! I don't dare to even start. You will never know how things affect our lives until you step out of your 'whatever is in season' shoes and into our bared soles. I understand that you were defending the honour of a friend with your big words (not to mention your unladylike ones) but now I am stepping up to defend the honour of mine. DO NOT EVER speak of such personal issues of which you know nothing about! DO NOT EVER take your Libran Yuppie attitude out on the children of those you are figuratively bitch slapping! And NEVER, EVER use that ridiculous word 'fucktard' again. It's an absolute shocker and sorry to say, makes you look like a bit of a poo-head. Just remember : All that you say is a reflection of what you don't like in yourself. Either way ; Beauty is far more than skin deep; it is within the depths of the soul and will shine through the eyes. My friends eyes certainly shine:) Yours I assume are a bit 'Doc Holliday'.
Have a beautiful day

Actually, UFAF wrote that off her own back after I expressed my own unease at the comment. DV is something close to my heart and I also apologise for this appearing on my blog. Anomie, if you wish it to be deleted, I am more than happy to. Email me or comment here and there's no problem. Will keep it here for context, but I am happy to remove at your request.

The depth of your regret is moving.

Actually I apologise for making any jibe here and previously about Anomie's violent ex - that was uncalled for. There are many women who cannot help being in a Domestic Violence situation and it is nothing to joke about. However, I feel a child should be protected no matter what, if it is possible to do so .And perhaps I would not have made the comment if Anomie wasn't soo horrendous to Tea to begin with. I apologise to anyone on here who may have experienced Domestic Violence. It wasn't my intention at all to make light of that situation. Ta

Erisian - I really don't think you understand irony at all. Do you know what tragic irony is? Well let me tell you, you silly silly troll. Tragic Irony is when women like you and Anomie pretend to be feminists and to applaud the female state and shout out their praises like "You go sister" yet slander and denigrate other women for their feeding and/or parenting style or in Anomie's case, resort to childish jibes about Tea's site or weight. If that's not ironic and hypocritical I don't know what is. It certainly isn't the feminism you all like to preach about and espouse dearly. You women wouldn't know what feminism was if it hit you over the head with a tomahawk.You seem to think one unit in psychology or sociology gives you all the information and credibility regarding feminism. Let me point out to your dear ill informed minds it doesn't.
And for your record, I do have a double degree in Psych and Lit and yes, I do belong to Mensa - but even intelligent people can sling insults with the best of them.Like the saying goes, if u can't beat 'em join 'em. It was your dear friend Anomie that actually started the slander you speak of. It seems the only way I can get through to you trolls is by getting down to your level and insulting you as your'e too dimwitted to understand my sarcasm or when I'm taking the piss out of you - which I have been doing all along with my tits comments amongst others and all you morons fell right into my trap. LMAO at your gullibility.
As far as my vitriol is concerned, it is your dear friend Anomie who was slandering my friend Tea with such nasty defamatory words that I felt compelled to comment. Yes, she is such an intellectual, fabulous woman I know - she makes childish jibes about someone's weight and website - how intelligent and remarkable she is. She slanders women for their parenting efforts because they don't comply with her ill conceived ideas of what constitutes ''good parenting" and denigrates women who formula feed their children because breasts were ''made'' to be milk machines lol. She refers to Sharing Advice as Negligent Parenting. She lets her body be exploited by numerous men in the hope of receiving love and attention, but just keeps getting knocked up time and time again. Sounds like insecurity and neediness to me.And I'm the one with insecurity issues? LMAO at your pathetic attempt to insult me once again.
Yes, an amazing mother, I'm sorry. A true gem of a mum who allows her child to be exposed to the violent temper of one of her numerous ex boyfriends. Lovely, just delightful. I apologise, Erisian, I should learn from her. My mistake.
Again, you are a hypocrite because you yourself commit the same vitriolic slander and defamation which you claim I commit. Your hate filled comments to Tea and I are there in black and white. Where's the irony here, you fucktard? And yes, I like the word fucktard, as many of you women have seemed to steal this word from SA yourself. Can't you get your own insults? Do you have to steal ours? How original.
My prospensity to swearing has no bearing on my intellectual capacity at all - I had a lecturer once who swore black and blue constantly yet had a PHD in American Literature. Oops, but I guess, since I live in Westminster, I am the walking stereotypical skank who swears and smokes whilst pregnant. Silly me to think that normal people swear too.
Perhaps you should take a leaf or two out of your own book and look at the hypocrisy, bigotry, slander and tragic irony you commit yourself and ditto re Anomie. As for your last comment, you have no depth of knowledge about me nor know me personally , so you cannot draw judgement either can you, you hypocrite? Perhaps you should ask some of the women who actually know me on SA about me, instead of speculating about me inside your demented subconscious. If you can't see this, then you truly are a fucktard. You hairy titted fuckwit.
Do us a favour will you hon, go and BF your teenage daughter - she needs her mummies milk before bedtime. he he he.

Actually, Erisian, its interesting that you mention ANomie, because I don't actually doubt your assessment of her. Up until recently, I found her to be great fun, very intelligent and quite insightful.

But the problem with having someone intelligent and fun turn on you is that you then become the target for that person's attacks.

I have said it before to Katie and I will say it again. The reason this hurts so much is because I really did like Anomie, and am ALWAYS interested in sorting it out, even if its on the phone or whatever.

If you guys gave me half a chance, without jumping off and deciding I was the enemy, you would probably realise that I am actually someone worth knowing.

UFAF. You know i used to think that alanis writing a song called 'ironic' that had a whole lot of situations given as examples of irony, that weren't in fact ironic, but just unfortunate, was the greatest example of irony. But you, UFAF, have provided something that may compete: surely with your triple degrees including psychology and literature and being a card-carrying member of MENSA, you might have gleaned from my post that calling you a poo-head was a reference to your own peurile ranting, no? evidently not. But what brings it up to alanis level is that in the same post you scoffed at *us* not *getting* your 'sarcastic irony'. This is absurd 1. because sarcastic irony is an absurd concept, it's either one or the other. and 2. because it's ironic.
UFAF, you are clearly mentally imbalanced and do not have triple degrees in psychology and literature, belong to MENSA or own a spaceship. Your style of speech is not that of one with academic credibility, moreover you sound like an angry, silly teenage child. Your incapacity to form a coherent argument and your propensity to degenerate into base vitriolic slander once or twice per sentence belies your obvious immaturity and desperate insecurity. One who is all the things you portend to be tends not to feel inspired to scream their own praises in between pepperings of calling people 'fucktard' et. al. Your gaffawing attempts at sarcasm sound more like a seven year old's than a serious academic's. In closing, Anomie is a dear friend and what I am about to say I say not because of a vendetta or juvenile reaction, but from pre-determined and independant judgement to this forum: she has more character, depth and intellect than the vast, vast majority of people i've met in my time. She is an amazing mother and a wonderful person. Your characterisation of her shouldn't really be dignified with a reply, ill-informed, shallow and pathetic as it is, but somehow I feel compelled to point out the obvious: you are a walking pretense, you haven't depth of knowledge or experience from which to draw judgement and your hackneyed attempt at appearing intellectual, whilst simultaneously spewing forth juvenile idiocy is beyond absurd. Maybe you should go and visit someone who actually has a degree in psychology? You poo head.

BTW... Best and Less does suck IMHO

Im here for both!! :P I want these silly bitches to stop and realise how stupid they are sounding and to sling insults at them as well.

thanks for clearing that up. I was just wondering if you were looking for any kind of resolution, or just here to sling insults. it's hard to keep track of people these days. lol.


interesting points for discussion téa, re the maternity payment. maybe something for another blog post?

I think the part that said "You are all" is a good clue dont you?

Im not taking sides, as I am not interested in reading about people getting upset because I figure you should expect to get as good as you give.

Well there is nothing wrong with best n less as I shop there as spending top dollar on the same quatily as there is at other shops is silly. Sorry my opinion. And I said those nasty things as you were attacking a friend.

"You are all as bad as each other Shallow, vindictive bitches."

that one. just curious.

Ewww, name not required, what twisted things you must of gone through in your life to write such disgusting things *shudders*

Which one binky? I think I have been pretty clear.

I cant believe that grown Women are acting like fucking 5 year olds.

Ewww,

Well at least I didn't have to resort to scaping cum off the male toilet seats at Sizzler to knock myself up LMAO!!

sorry, 'sad, sad people', who is your comment addressing?

Well, its not strictly true Ker, theyd feed at least 5 crays lol

Her Majesty - Um, my two older kids go to school during the day, so they aren't watching DVD"s you moron. And when they get home they play outside on the ugly lawn on my ugly house in Westminster and I light up a joint and then get on here to post LMAO u fucktard.
And as for the other things I've said, again the truth hurts doesn't it honey? If u read accurately, I was referring to your pram and the moronic posts u make about your pram in great fucking detail everyday on Birth. Get a real life you nigel no mates loser.
As for being jealous, well this is laughable since I've seen you and you aint a pretty picture my dear and thats the understatement of the century lol. And why would I want an overpriced pram that looks like a glorified shopping trolley to 'prove' I'm rich to my troll mates?
I feel sorry for the ugly dog who had to hump your ugly ass to knock you up. Ha ha ha

I think the comment about tan's kids being used as craybait is disgusting...grow up, Name not required.

UFAF, Vixen, Tan.. (Whoever you are)

Does it effect your life in anyway if people do have lots of children to different Fathers???

I dont think it does, not only are you offending the Mother of these Children you are insulting the children as well. That is not good manners, which you stated before you had lots of.

And... to whoever posted the crash test dummie thing THAT was below the belt.

Wow, we've all been busy this afternoon lol.

For the record, UFAF, the maternity payment was not deliberately intended to increase the birth rate, even though it did have that side effect/ The maternity payment was a cynical attempt to deprive women of actual, PROPER paid maternity leave.

Howard bought off those who would have stayed home with their kids anyway, and screwed working mothers, yet again. Now I hear whispers of childcare benefit being scrapped... the government has "denied" it, but, well, we all know what it means when a politician, particularly a Liberal politician, denies something ;)

And yes, sad, sad people, it is a shame that things got so nasty. It did start out as a bit of harmess taunting, but quickly disintegrated into all out nastiness. I truly hope that everyone can move forward from this, and I am more than happy for my blog to be the place where discussions begin.

Unlike many other places (cough...Birth...) that delete heated discussions, I truly would like everyone to sort their shit out once and for all. Sling what you must, but let it be in the spirit of moving forward.

Hopefully we can start finding some middle ground.

Yeah thats it Vixen, eat those words.

God only hopes you fucking choke fucktard

Be... I agree with you.. there's nothing wrong with having lots of children. If I could afford it, I'd have six. And the population rate has dropped in previous yrs, however lately there has been a slight increase in the birth rates so the population has increased somewhat which is good. It is believed the Baby Bonus has a part to play in this and an increase in childcare spaces. BTW, I applaud SAHM as I am one and yes, Be, mothering is a full time occupation and one to be applauded - I never said it wasn't and more children are definitely needed for our increasing elderly population. I cannot disagree with that at all. And yes, there are single mums out there that need parenting payment and such other payments to survive as they may be unable to work for a valid reason.
However, that being said, I just want to make it clear however, that I do not applaud women who have a multitude of children to different partners just because they can without thinking of the consequences - financial and otherwise - of their actions. I think we all need to take responsibility of our lives and there are alot of women out there who do have children without caring about the consequences and are more than happy to live off welfare for the rest of their lives if they can. I have seen and talked to these women myself. Let's just say they are not the majority of women, but sadly they are out there, and make other women look bad. These are the women I'm referring to - not the mums who are trying hard to support their children in the best way they can. I just can't see how having 7 or more children to 4 different fathers can be productive for anyone, let alone the children themselves. JMO.

Hope that has cleared things up for you Be.

i havent had any trouble with big w stuff coming apart. Although i cant remember if some of the items i have washed that has discoloured after one wash, were bought from big W. I just figured he is a boy, he will get dirtyy so why worry if his day clothes discolour.

All I can say is that I pity your kids, to have Mothers who are filled with so much anger and hatred is very very sad.

I dont give a shit who you are, where you live, what you look like or how big your tits are? In fact I dont even give a shit if you BF or FF or if your kids are models. You are just plain nasty.
For Women who claim to be intellectual you sure are proving it to be untrue.

This all started out as a few disagreements and a bit of fun but it now just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

You are all as bad as each other Shallow, vindictive bitches.

do you like big w stuff wild? when i bought stuff for rach it always came apart, seams fraying and buttons coming off etc. I havent' bothered with charlie. wonder if they have improved in 4 years?

I have homicidal tendencies, please excuse all of my rude posts above and I apologise in advance for any further crap I may post

OH Vixen

Truly, you are a laugh!! I am pissing myself laughing at your revolting posts, it just stands to reason that you truly are the epitomy of a skank. Your violent, rude and offensive posts are plain hilarious, your knickers must be in such a knot that you surely will start choking on them soon.

I don't believe I've ever met such a hypocrite in all my life, you seem to be basing all of your posts on yourself, you appear to be the pyscho here darl.

You better go and put a new DVD on for your kids love, surely they have watched the last one at least 10 times today.

I can't believe you are still rattling on about your pathetic pram!! I really believe you are rather jeolous and just can't come to terms with it.

Why don't you go and get yourself checked into Graylands, you are one woman who truly needs her head read and some serious anger management wouldn't go astray either, oohhh, I just cringe of what you must put your husband and children through, bet your a husband beater lol.

Hey Vixen

I have a job offer for you.

I am looking for some crash test dummies to drive at excessive speeds to test airbags (which of course won't be working). I couldnt think of a better candidate for the job than you, sure would put some out of their misery.

Oh and your kids would make great craybait too.

hey tea i found these gorgous pinstripe pants and a lovely white shirt for my little man in best and less. Although i do like the baby clothes in big w more than target or kmart.

Mmmmm you just reminded me of the big ferro easter egg i saw i have to get dh to buy me lol.

He he he Her Majesty... you can't resist can u, you fucking ugly troll... BTW I am not an A cup, I am a 12D if you really must know - big and pert - what a shame yours are big and saggy huh? My girlfriend is an A cup though - perhaps you should talk to her about push up bras. I can't wear one, my tits oveflow in them. Just ask anyone who knows me LMAO.

Do you all think I give a stuff about my tits really? This WHOLE time I have been baiting you and saying I'm gorgeous just to see your idiot reactions and yep, I was right - the idiots do bite because they're too dimwitted to know I'm taking the piss as usual. As for me being full about myself, how can I be if I'm a skank in Westminster Her Majesty? LMAO

I'm sorry if I got it wrong as to who you are - perhaps McKee17 sounds better? If not, then fuck off Hollymama - I know who you are and so does everyone else you fucktard. As for me being a laughing stock on Birth, well your Majesty honey, you don't know the amount of countless pm's and emails I get from people on there telling me you two are fucktards in the biggest way and congratulating me for putting you in your place. Who's the laughing stock, eh? Especially when you get banned for a couple of days too eh? You were the biggest laughing stock then my dear.

Do us a favour and go out a shop for a useless pram liner, shove it in your ugly overpriced pram, and then get on Birth and talk about it for two pages because you're too dumb, ugly and self absorbed to write about anything worthwhile. Don't you have anything better to talk about than your fucking pram? Is your life that boring and mundane and devoid of any sanity?Hmmmm do prams "enrich our lives" as was posted on Births? Hmmm .... only when that person is a judgemental psycho without a life... then I guess an ugly pram can make a difference LMAO at your stupidity.

And yeah I'm a total bitch and loving it he he he. That's a compliment Her Majesty as a bitch is someone who isn't a brown nosing ass licker such as yourself devoid of intellect and personality and a bitch is someone who's assertive and not afraid to speak her mind lol. You are even too cowardly to admit to me who you are, even though I have signed under a different name, I don't leave others guessing as to who I am because I'm not a coward - I can handle the flak dished out to me unlike you, you gutless psycho.

SO FUCK OFF LMAO.

Vixen, oh you little varmint you, if you ever decide to return to Uni for a little value add to your double degree, you should try a Masters in Restraint, it might temper your Grad Dip in Slagging.

Then again, a bullet would work a treat, especially as you so like to be in the spotlight. I believe there is still a $10 bounty per brush in NSW - hell, I'm sure someone would pull the trigger for the sheer pleasure of ending your hate-filled babble.

Ummm - exactly where did I assume that I know who I was talking to? The only assumption that I made was that the comments about being a bitch are about our little brain surgeon friend Hollymama. I'm sure that even another genius like yourself would agree with that.

The original comments were about Hollymama. I made further comments about Hollymama. All of these comments were made in the third person.

I equally love the way that you have assumed who you were talking to. For the record, I am in a different time zone to Tan and my child is in bed for the night. Oops!

Well Tanugly, speak for yourself hun!! Thanks for the apology anyway, yeah you are right, you are a total bitch only all of the time, not just some of the time

I love the way you assume you know who you are talking to, what a bright little cookie you think you are.

As far as self absorbtion, where do we start with you my dear. I'll have to get back to you on that one, Im getting a headache just thinking about it.

Go and spend some time with your kids ladies, or are they stuck in front of the tv with a happy meal??

I forgot to add self-absorbed - I've never seen anyone who thinks everything is about her to the extent Hollymama does.

I think that would be the saddest thing.

Only sometimes? That's the understatement of the century.

And you forgot to mention cowardly and not-very-bright.

I am sorry girls. geez I can be a bitch sometimes.

Hmmm, something just made me realise that you OBVIOUSLY don't have someone on your ignore list at birth as you claim to, now why would you do that.


Oh and sorry, I didn't realise that Best and Less don't do push up bra's for AA's, maybe try Target for a size 18AA, you shouldn't have any probs there,

HTH

Hah, there you are again, agreeing with everyone, you are so predictable. Personally, my favourite of yours is when you ALWAYS say, my DH agrees, my best friend and all my other friends agree too, yeah, so that makes it right.

It also obvious to me know too the reason you don't breastfeed, wouldn't want to ruin those hooters huh! Great reason, love to see that one posted on Birth LMAO!! Oh, hang on, you are already the laughing stock of birth so it would be even more amusing.

BTW, Best and Less rocks for basics! Why pay premium price for singlets and stuff your bubs grows out of in wks. I totally agree Binky, Skye, Be and Tea. Hang on ladies, Oops I forgot - I need to go there right now and purchase my push up bra - since I am a stereotype living in Nollamara, oops No Westminster, oops no Balga -according to Her Majesty (who is out shopping now for pram liners I suppose) because I can't afford anything else. Boo hoo. Leaves now to smack children and light up a joint he he he he

LMAO Tea - I was just playing their game. You know I can't resist he he he - baiting that is.Nothing wrong with the local hairdresser.... you know what I'm doing here... he he he. Lets just say I know who Her Majesty is and she would be horrified if I told her she went to the local hairdresser, so I did. LMAO

oh my god binky... lol...

Best & Less are great for babies clothes and the disposable stuff like singlets etc that they grow out of in weeks.

Its also great for wear-once type novelty type clothes, like Mina's ballerina dress and stuff like that too. I go to the one in Noranda and always stick my nose in when I go shopping because its right next to Woolies :)

And Tan, whats wrong with the local hairdresser? ROFL... mine is really good! Don't go dissing her, baby!

Hey Skye, there is actually (I know some people love me using that word lol) a really good best and less in bondi junction, the old bit. It has really cool bonds stuff, you should check it out.

I havent seen a best and less for years, but I did go and get my layby of Wills clothes off at Kmart today. I dont care where I shop, be it Kmart, DJs or vinnies and my partner earns well into the 6 figures...I buy whatever I like at the time.

Hey, I got the best necklace on ebay this week. Am very happy with the purchase. If anyone like s silver jewellery with different stones like moonstone (like the Jewelery you would get in India) I can point you in the right dicection. This girl has some really nice stuff. I saw a similat pendant to the one I got selling in Balmain for $500. I got mine for $15. the one in balmain had a rare stone min you, but the setting is the same on mine, only it has a moonstone in it.

hmmm... IKEA chocolate, I don't know if i could bring myself to eat that for fear of crunching down on one of those little plastic dealies that are always left over when you assemble the furniture (in this house anyway, my DH actually burns the assembly leaflet before he'll start building).

Speaking of coming full circle, it's actually considered a status symbol where I live to be able to afford Best and Less, LMAO.

UFAF -" LMAO you spiteful cow", you are hilarious! Are you seriously irony-deficient or just really delusional? You're fantastic - best vitriol EVER!!!!

The truth hurt maybe? Hmmm if I do indeed look like a mummsie, I wonder why people tell me I don't and that I don't look like I have had three children.... they must all have glaucoma's in their eyes then LMAO/

As far as being full of myself - LMAO. I have healthy self esteem, but I'm no supermodel. There's a few things I'd like to fix, but unlike some women like you, I don't moan about the things I'd like to change and what I looked like 'before' I had kids. LMAO. Nor do I go around bragging about my 'expensive' pram and the 'latest liners' I have in my pram. How pathetic and devoid of human life.
And you're calling me pathetic and idiotic? This coming from someone who pushes around an overpriced ugly pram so that she may show off to the rest of her idiot friends and judges someone's material possession and lifestyle from where they live? Not to mention the fact she spends all day shopping for pram accessories? What hypocrisy. You're full of it.
Re your breasts and hair - what you got your hair coiffed into a ''mummy'' do - let me guess - blonde or brown - with prominent tacky foils thoroughout and damaged to beyond restoration?
Did you get cheap, but trying to look expensive, makeup to go with it? Ooh, and lets not forget - the perfume from the Chemist in the generic aisle, or the giftbox you bought on special at Myer or David Jones?
And who told you your breasts were in impeccable condition? The old farts on a construction site who are desperate enough to wolf whistle at you or state with anything that slightly resembles a woman or the old fella who is probably a bachelor living with mum or a divorcee who is fat and balding and willing to settle for less? LMAO you spiteful cow.

Tea, thanks for that, I will keep my eye out for it.

There's actually a very interesting text on this issue Be, called "If Women Counted" by Marilyn Waring. She is a conservative in New Zealand that actually summarises, from an economic perspective, the role of free domestic labour in the economy - and if women actually counted (hence the book title), it woul dhave a profound impact on things like GDP and power balances.

Its a bit textbookey, but still a good and interesting topic.

HAH!!!

You are so wrong my dear!!

Just goes to show what kind of a scrubber you really are eh? Going as low as to think my children aren't worth looking at. Wrong, in fact my eldest child appeared on an ad that ran for nearly a year on TV, got herself a nice little amount in the bank too I might add. You see, I just don't feel the need to tell everybody how fantastic looking I am or how my children get stopped in the street to see if they were modelling. I really feel you are completely full of yourself, hardly a trait I would wish to pursue.

Oh well, if it makes you feel better to degrade others to make yourself seem better, then what better way to do so.

I don't think I have ever come across a more pathetic, idiotic woman in my life.

FWIW, I dress very well, my children are well dressed, my hair is tastefully styled and no my breasts do not hang to the ground, they are in impeccable condition actually.

I think you are the stereotyped 'mumsie' one to be honest.

Oh and Her Majesty - I'm sure you don't live on any payouts - I'm sure you're sooooooo rich and your family is sooooo wealthy that they can support your numerous children - my mistake for thinking that you received some sort of help from the government. What was it that you did for a living again? Aren't you earning around $50 000 a yr to support all your children? I heard you were really successful and had a high paying job to support all your kids - that's right you are a rocket scientist. LMAO at you, you dumb bitch.

lol Skye...I hadnt tried it up until recently - I dont normally eat a lot of chocolate. Its really nice, like a brittle toffee that is chocolate coated. Really nice but I couldnt eat too much..

My TV cabinets are IKEA and are pretty good. Their storage stuff is pretty good and I use a fair bit of it for officey stuff.

Would never buy a *big* piece of furniture, ie couch or bed or dinner table from there though.

UFAF, your comments are becoming very insulting. Now without any name calling can we discuss an issue you have raised? You make fun of people on welfare but claim to be a feminist? I admit I have never red a feminism book in my life, but I would think that they would embrace welfare to some degree?
The future of our society is dependent on producing more of our species, who is going to provide the government with money to support the elderly and less fortunate in the coming years? It is widely excepted by the government that if we want our standard of living to increase or remain the same we need to increase our population (hence the $3,000 baby bonus), so in saying that what should we do, bow down to the government and open our legs? Live poorly by so our society will be provided by more taxpayers? I don't fucking think so. Mothering should be classed as an occupation and I think that the government should more then double family payments. I have nothing against women going back to work after they have a baby if they WANT to, but if not we should help with their financial situation to enable them not to work.

After saying that I do tend to agree with some of your arguments, but imho this one is way off track.

Tea...what is IKEA chocolate? Does it fall apart on you when you unwrap it? LOL

in this house we reckon IKEA = Swedish for crap

lol, I want IKEA chocolate :)

Fuck Dreamweaver is uploading and now i have nuthink to do whilst its working.... arrrrgh

To Her Majesty- LMAO at your bong comment. The last time I smoked a bong was at Uni on campus... almost 10 yrs ago.. he he he. Why don't you smoke a bong and perhaps it will relax you enough to ease that carrot shoved up your ass? LMAO. Hey, Tea, wanna come over and have a bong with me, I'm a stereotype living in Nollamara - let's have a joint and bash our kids together LMAO. You are such a fucktard Her Majesty and soooooo ignorant, it's just not funny. he he he he he

Hmmmm to her Majesty: Once again you have succeeded in making yourself look like a complete moron and fucktard by conforming to society's stereotype of one's socioeconomic area. Have you not learnt anything lately?
Actually, Westminster is NOT Balga - I live on the Balcatta border - Balga is the NEXT suburb away from me and much further away from me than Nollamara because my house borders on Balcatta. Why, oh why must I explain demographics and geography to a complete moron? Funny too, how housing and real estate sales have boomed in Nollamara and Westminster lately - there must be lots of ''scrags'' with money who are able to afford homes there, since the current rentals there go for $200 and upwards and you cannot purchase a home in Nollamara or Westminster for under $250 000. Must be full of scrags then, hey Her Majesty? Last time I checked, the trailer trash now lived in Lockridge and Clarkson. Dear oh dear, you are ignorant of demography aren't you? Perhaps thats where you belong - in Balga, Clarkson or Lockridge since you can't afford a decent mortgage?

And as for me being scantily dressed, I couldn't stop laughing at this one or being a skank LMAO considering I have been married to the one man for almost 8 yrs and have NEVER sworn in public. Nor do I remember ever wearing a mini skirt or midriff top - even when I was younger as I find them distasteful, unlike you I have some humility.
And why would I yell at passing motorists when I don't walk, I drive? Doesn't make sense to me. If I was to be scantily dressed, my mother and father,not to mention my husband would slap me as I grew up with etiquette and poise being drummed into me by my neurotic mother. Last time I checked, I grew up in a middle class home and my father owns and runs his own business and just sold his $1.5 million dollar home in Dianella and my wardrobe came from Witchery, Esprit, and Sportsgirl with a bit of Portmans thrown in. Hmmm I wonder if there are other skanks with this wardrobe or ones that wear Italian leather heels like I do? I can't think of any, but please enlighten me. I don't see skanks pushing around MBU's for that matter either, with their children immaculately dressed as mine are.
I wonder why people look so surprised then when I tell them I rent - is it because I don't fit the stereotype of a young mother renting in the burbs? I wonder. I also wonder which "skank" receives a scholarship to attend university and had the money to pay for private tuition while she was there? Please tell me. Enlighten me.
I also wonder what you look like - I can just picture it - a real "Mummy" type with her hair tied back, no makeup on, haircut by the hairdresser at the local shops, roots not done for months, a 'cute' little 'mummy' breastfeeding shirt, those bland, ugly three quarter black pants or cheap jeans that ''mummies'' wear, complete with those ugly and sensible slides. Hmmm... DELIGHTFUL. And let me guess ... your husband, if you indeed have one, is old and fat with a beer gut and receding hairline that tries to be funky and dress and act half his age, even though he is butt ugly,so he can fit in with the other younger fathers. Oh, and your kids are all freckly and plain and not worth looking at? Hmmm unlike my kids whom constantly get asked by complete strangers if I have entered them in modelling yet?
Oh, and last time I checked too honey, I had three pregnancies and wore a sensible bra throughout so my breast didn't droop. And feeding does make your breasts droop, my bf friends have told me this - shock horror, I have friends who BF you say - yes I do, but they don't impose their ideals on other people and degrade women if they don't BF like your clan. They're normal people, not ferals such as yourself.Hmmm...I thought, if you were young and fit and wore a proper bra you could slow down gravity. What, can't you afford a decent bra to prevent those ugly mammaries of yours heading south? BTW, I don't need to wear a push up bra - unlike you - there's nothing there I need to push up - mine don't have contact with my waist as I mentioned earlier. Just thought you'd like to know. Have a nice day, you ugly bitch and push around that fucking ugly Cammy of yours and pretend you're rich even though you couldn't really afford that pram, yet you bought it so as to impress all your other try hard yuppies who think owning an expensive pram is a status symbol. Ironic considering I have a feeling you're in debt up to your eyeballs because you cannot afford the lifestyle you want and you cannot make the mortgage repayments because of that. But hell, you're gonna push around a ugly pram and make others believe you're living on easy street, eh? FUCK OFF!

I know this may be horrifying to think, but Tan has her own mind, as do I.

We catch up and socialise, but it does not mean that we are a collective by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know how many times I need to say that I am not responsible for other people's opinions.

I know this may come as a shock to those who hunt in packs. But, we were peacing out, remember?

I think everyone should just chill out and stop slinging insults. On both sides. Its turning into a "you're ugly, well, you're fat... well, you live in BALGA, well, you have saggy tits!" Its getting a bit immature.

Oh and Vixen

I think you have your wires crossed hun, I don't live on welfare, not one single cent, you'll have to try harder there.

And I think you actually like living in Balga, you probably have lots of friends just like yourself there, can drop into each others houses for a bong and a cuppa LMAO

My favourite from Primary School?

Tetley Allrounder.

You're free to use it.

As they say in the entertainment biz, it doesn't matter what they're saying about you, as long as they're saying stuff about you!

Where'd your new best friend UFAF go T, she sure is fun to play with, so touchy, maybe thats where her name Tanuch came from.

Oh, but Teapoo, you've been Teabags all along you see, you just didn't know it

yay, I'm Tea again. Not Teabags etc.

You love me. You know it ;)

Well, there you go Tea, there is my contribution to the original topic LMAO!!!

Oh, and one more thing - is it because you have no valid comeback to my argument, you must restrain yourself Lilith? Thought so. Have you read any current feminist literature - I apologise if you have, its not the impression I received lol.
And to Name, Yes I have One -"I cannot work out the point of your argument UFAF" - an excuse for saying "I don't have anything else valid to say because I am too dim witted to come back with a valid comment. Have a nice day and try not to exert that little brain of yours, will you?

LMAO! I thought there was nothing wrong with Best & Less ;)

(And we come full circle... LMAO :))

Oh and Vixen

Don't you know, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit/humour!!

Vixen

Truly, so you live in Westminster huh? In other words, Balga, pfft, thats WORSE!!

Ahh, you are so fun to 'play' with, before I even see the name at the bottom of your dribble, I can already see who its from, the violence in your posts is unlike anything I've ever quite encountered before.

I doubt I'd miss you in the street, you'd be the scrag screaming at your kids, scantilly dressed, screaming obscenities at passing motorists, oh and I forgot your husband and ALL your friends would be standing in agreeance with you as you always claim (as if that makes everything that comes out of your mouth correct). HAH!!

Oh and FWIW hun, its actually pregnancy that alters the gravity in your breasts, not feeding, so once again hunny, you are living in dream land, or maybe that new push up bra you bought from Best and Less is maybe holding the girls up.

Thankyou Well, actually....teacher here - at least there are some of us on here with some remaining brain cells left. Hmm last time I checked, and also whilst I was at University, the word socioeconomic without the hyphen was used more frequently and was the preferred version. If I remember clearly I had a lecturer who would constantly cross out the hyphen if I used it, so I don't use it any more.
Thankyou, I have a name, thankyou my dear - learn something about the fucking english language, you dolt! Pretty stoooopid to criticise my use of the word socioeconomic considering I graduated with a Literature degree.... not that it matters, of course. Thankyou my dear, thankyou. Love the poor attempt at sarcasm too honey.

Oh, and can someone pleeeeease tell me where feminism states that having a multitude of children to different men and living on welfare and the taxpayer to subsidise the mothers income is the admirable thing to do? I'm at a loss to see where this is applauded as an honourable female virtue. I thought strong women are supposed to look after themselves and their children,not Centrelink? I must have missed the point of feminism completely, you FUCKWITS. Methinks that if you are a single mother and cannot support your children without living off other people - be that the government, friends or family - you should learn to close your legs and accept some responsibility for your life?

You will find that socioeconomic and socio-economic are used interchangeably in the english language. however, socioeconomic is used more frequently. There is no right or wrong.
That's all I can be bothered commenting on...

Thankyou. My dear. Thankyou

Did you just learn a brand new big word there UFAF? Here's a hint though - it looks slightly more accurate if you insert the hyphen, like so...socio-economic. That's all I can be bothered commenting on, the rest of it appears to be the rantings of a mentally unbalanced person and I cannot be bothered trying to work out exactly what your point is.
Thankyou. My dear. Thankyou

In a massive display of self restraint for the greater good, I am willing to completely ignore everything UFAF just posted. :)

Tea and Binky, thankyou for your apologies and willingness to try to create some semblance of peace and respect out of the shambles this had become. I'm getting a bit of a buzz from all this harmony - it's been such a long time coming! :D

To Her Majesty- you are a pathetic wannabe yuppie troll. To comment on my socioeconomic status is really laughable to be quite frank. And no, I don't live in Nollamara, I live in Westminster -right on the border of Balcatta to be precise.Before I touch upon that issue however, pat yourself on the back for being a big hypocritical liar as I NEVER hurled abuse at the feral in the park - I said nothing, if you remember the conversation, and simply walked away from her even though I found a woman with hairy nipples breastfeeding an older toddler who was also playing with her breasts to be distasteful. I never once hurled abuse at her.You are a blatant liar. I do not hurl abuse at women breastfeeding in public, even though I may find some of their methods distasteful. Haven't these women ever heard of the word Discretion, because man, its needed.
And I can afford an MBU because my husband has a relatively good job.Unlike you, I don't live on government payouts. We chose to live in Westminster, you ignorant fool, so we can save our money for a deposit on our second home - yes Her Majesty- I have already owned a house - and have decided to rent again as I find it to be more financially viable. And unlike other morons, I choose not to pay an exorbitant amount of money for rent so that my husband and I can actually save for the home we want - not some ugly house like yours in the sticks. Perhaps you should see my house in the "ugly" Westminster then? Quite pleasant really for your try hard yuppie sensitivites my dear.
Oh and by the way, you ugly troll, my best friend owns a home in Nollamara and wait for it, my dear, her husband owns and runs his own business and they are VERY comfortable. They chose to live there to be close to relatives. Perhaps you should look at your own socieoconomic status my dear - its far from being impressive. The reason why I had so many prams my dear is because I can afford them, regardless of where I live - you ignoramus. Ones material possessions do not always adequately reflect their socioeconomic status you fool. I have seen many mothers at my children's school dressed like scrubbers, their children in hand me down uniforms and yet they live in so called "well to do areas" . Get off your pseudo snobbery high horse, you pathetic excuse for a woman and look at yourself in the mirror - it certainly is laughable, not to mention where you really live. And yes I do know who you are and I would be ashamed to make any comment regarding anyone else's socioeconomic status if I were you IKYWIM.

To Erisian, Required and Dog Lover - please girls, can u not think of a better insult to come up with than "You smell like poo". Oh Puhleeaasse Erisian - did you hear this one from a child in kindergarten? Because that was the last time I have heard such an immature comment. Don't you have better insults to throw at me? I guess your breast milk has leaked into your brain and flooded the area responsible for reason and argument. Laughable. As for commenting on my tits, my tits honey, have nothing to do with my above average intelligence and my membership to MENSA and the fact I graduated with honours from a double degree in Psychology and Literature. Hmmmm.... I guessed you missed the sarcastic irony I was attempting to use regarding my cleavage. Obviously too dimwitted for my argument.

However, back to the feminist issue. I have read Germaine Greer and Naomi Wolf in great detail, and I am not a fan of Germaine Greer, and I'm surprised you are because she clearly states that motherhood results in a loss of one's identity as a woman THROUGHOUT the book "The Female Eunuch". Perhaps you should read it, because,correct me if I am wrong, you are a mother, are you not? So how do you identify with a woman that sees motherhood as a restriction and subordination of a woman't feminine state? Explain this, you moron. And to all the other morons who still cannot believe I am a feminist - A feminist would also not DEGRADE a woman for choosing to formula feed her child as feminism at its core is all about choice, not oppression and degradation of other woman. A feminist would applaud a woman if she CHOSE to formula feed her child and not be brainwashed by the hordes of breastfeeding nazis who TELL her she must breastfeed or suffer the consequences as FF would demonstrate freedom of choice and initiative. Suck on that one, you ignorant trolls. A feminist would not make another woman feel guilty if she chooses not to carry her child in a sling or co sleep with her child as her parenting style is not an indication of her ability to parent as a mother. A feminist would not comment on one's socioeconomic status as this goes against the basic principles of feminism. A feminist would NOT applaud a woman choosing to have a multitude of children to different men as this displays a blatant disrespect of one's own feminine strength and indicates a weakness of spirit. Correct me if am wrong also, but didn't Anomie have a partner with a violent temper? In my mind, a feminist certainly would not applaud a woman who CHOSE to have a man to degrade and humiliate her and her children via forms of physical and emotional abuse. A feminist would certainly not APPLAUD a woman who chooses to put up with that kind of rubbish as it indicates weakness and a victim mentality - all of which goes against the fundamental principles of feminism. Not once have I read whorish behaviour being applauded by Naomi Wolf, Germaine Greer or Camille Paglia. Please show me where these women state sleeping with a variety of men displays strength of character in a woman because I have never seen it. If anything it indicates emotional weakness.
Furthermore, once more you are bowing to hypocrisy as Tea says because on one hand, you are telling me feminists do not swear and degrade women, yet you are doing the exact same thing in your comments to Tea and I. Ironic and sad really that you are so dumb that you cannot see your own ''glaring irony" as you would put it dear Hungry Troll. Perhaps those armpit and nipple hairs have ingrown into your brain and resulted in a aneurism?
Furthermore, Lilith - I used the word "Vixen" you silly troll, because it was a silly nickname I had whilst at Uni because I wore dark nailpolish and clothing and according to a few male friends, was all sly like a ''vixen'' or ''fox''. Perhaps you should have asked me this first instead of shooting off at the mouth like you always do.It does not indicate anything to do with my attractiveness, if any.
Like I said before, I don't believe a woman's physical attractiveness has anything to do with her ability to espouse feminist ideals. The hypocrisy here astounds me. You claim you are all feminists and make fun of the fact that I claim I am attractive with great tits (which was meant to be silly fun), and that I can't understand the irony in my posts because I am making fun of ''saggy tits'' when I commented I don't pass judgement on physical appearance, yet you are doing THE EXACT SAME THING. I don't understand how this is meant to be feminism. I really don't. Correct me if I am wrong, but a feminist would not slam another woman for being self confident and having a worthwhile self esteem. It doesn't make sense at all. Like I said earlier, read Camille Paglia who is an accomplished feminist and then perhaps you bunch of silly ignorant trolls will be enlightened to the TRUE meaning of feminism - that it's all about CHOICE - and that women have the CHOICE to formula feed if they so choose to, they have the CHOICE to be married and monogamous if they CHOOSE to amongst other things and this is not a sign of feminine weakness - rather it is a display of initiative against conservative society mores. Its when a womans CHOICE is compromised that her feminine state and strength is compromised also. Imposing your personal "ideals" of what a woman should do with her breasts as it is conceived to be natural to BF is ANTI FEMINIST as no feminist would argue that all women are made to be human sows. In fact, if you read the latest literature that has come out from Naomi Wolf, she goes on to say how the pressure to breastfeed is at heart a patriarchal and conservative one and that society, not women, espouses its virtues, yet do not discuss its negative effects on PND if the bf relationship between mother and child is not successful. So, Lilith, I suggest you read some CURRENT feminist literature and get with the times girl.

GET FUCKED THE LOT OF YOU AND GROW A REAL BRAIN. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT TO INSULT ME, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER.

skye, you are absolutely right. I'm not particularly impressed with myself after the past several months. the stupid thing is that I didn't have anything against anyone on birth before it became personal towards me by a few people, and I have let myself become someone I'm just not, which is petty and quick to bite back with a response to an insult. I'm done with that though, it's not me, it's not what I do, and i'm just going to go back to being supportive of people, no matter who they are.

I am also sorry for my participation in this catfight.

Actually, Lilith you know what, you are right. And I agree. I have agreed all along... in fact, I was the one trying to make peace with people before it all flared up again and I was attacked by McKee in that private room. And yes, it was an attack that came out of nowhere. In fact, I had been trying to be nice even though I KNEW she had it in for me since I challenged her last year (not that she ever contacted me to deal with it mind you). I even emailed Katie to try and sort things out... and obviously, somehow, that has been interpreted as me "playing both sides" -- and Catherine firmly believes this even though it isn't true. Fuck, you guys would know that. lol.

And no, that is NOT saying I am a victim in this, heck, I did and said some pretty stupid things, motivated mostly by hurt and anger. As long as people admit that BOTH sides have been guilty, then I am prepared to try and make peace.

I still am wary of trusting any of you, but I'll try and be genuine here. Can I give my side?

I generally don't get involved in "mummy" boards for exactly the reasons we are discussing. They are the nastiest, bile filled, and yet hilariously ironic places I have ever encountered. I pondered a long time before signing up at Birth, but nonetheless, it seemed like a nice community. Up until recently. I am not a member of any other board, except for SA. And it will stay that way, because my opinion on these communities hasn't changed. I have better things to talk about, quite frankly. My focus is different.

I have to say that the last 2 months I haven't recognised myself. This is just my truth as I see it, and I recognise that there may be another perspective -- but I feel it all went downhill when I became moderator. I went from the 'golden girl' to the 'enemy' of BOTH sides in about 30 seconds. I honestly feel that moderation and admin on Birth is biased. I tried to challenge that and for that, I regret not just going with the flow. I probably could have handled the attacks better. I acknowledge it.

That said, I have learned the hard way what can happen when you try to disagree with someone like Anomie/Shell. They will actively do everything they can to make your experience on the board miserable.

I know you guys believe that I have tried to sign up to BM -- I wish you'd believe me when I say that I haven't. Why would I? I am hurt really easily and don't understand why you think I would want to read it? I know that the board is not just about me, before anyone says anything...but don't tell me you're not bitching us out at least some of the time.

Anyway, what I am trying to say is that we all tried to capitalise on each others weaknesses. For me, it is my battle with the weight gain associated with PCOS. Despite exercise and a healthy lifestyle, yes, I am still a size 22. So what? I am not ashamed of it... and the fact that you guys think it is something to be ashamed of is a poor reflection on all of you, to be blunt.

Same goes with these stupid pram discussions, or stupid clothes/shoes discussions. I mean, who gives a shit? Seriously, anyone with half a brain doesn't care about such shallow things. Again, that is just my perspective, because I am not into the whole consumer thing and I just don't get how a flame war can start over a PRAM. It is pointless.

I am truly sorry for saying that certain individuals have ugly babies. But, for me, it was a point of weakness - much like your jibes at me about my size. I know that that certain individual takes a lot of pride in appearances, labels and other superficial things...so of course, saying that their baby is ugly is a way to hurt them for the way they REALLY hurt me.

No baby is ugly. And I am ashamed of myself for saying it.

If I am wrong, I will admit it and apologise. not ONCE have I been contacted to clear things up. Instead, they decided to spread misinformation and deliberate lies in the hope that people would believe them. And they did.

I still stand by sharing the password on SA. They are all Birth members. If theyd asked me for it on birth they wouldve gotten it anyway. Whilst my motivations were certainly dishonourable at the time, you have to see it from my point of view. Being attacked where noone can see is pretty harsh.

Anyway, I share this with the interest of moving forward. I am sorry if I appear like a "victim" here - that is not the intention. I am merely giving my point of view in the hope that maybe some self-reflection will happen.

I fully expect it to be used against me, so do your worst ;)

I have to agree that a lot of what has been said in here has been said in anger, and perhaps a little bit of trying to come across as funny to others on "sides".

While I am no angel in all of this, I am beginning to find it sad that women can attack each other for merely doing their best jobs at being parents (no matter what their circumstances are).

It doesnt matter how we go about giving birth, or choose to bring up our children, women should be able to support each other no matter how they decide to tackle this mammoth job of being a mother.

Aren't there enough societal pressures on women and mothers without being attacked by our sisters?

While all of this has stemmed from differences of opinions on Birth, I believe it has been completely blown out of proportion and it has become VERY nasty and has moved to being extremely personal and individuals are getting hurt.

I have to admit that I found it funny and entertaining to begin with, but the attacks on peoples' appearence, education levels and socioeconomic backgrounds is below the belt.

i would definitely support the mature debate of issue, but this unnecessary bitchiness has got to stop. For God's sake we are grown women with children. I was thinking about it and I cant imagine my mother carrying on in this manner when she was my age. It is schoolgirl behaviour.

we definitely need to find the sisterhood again...

I am big enought to admit who I am and my mistakes, I hope others can do the same.
I am sorry for my participation in this catfight.

Perhaps you might read Tans comments and your opinion regarding her intelligence might alter somewhat. She is a bit of a silly :-)
The point is not that she is being attacked for claiming that she finds herself attractive but rather that she has missed the glaring irony contained within her statements. Maybe she is a very attractive angry feminist, but she can't make a coherent argument.

UFAF, thankyou for your apology, which is gratefully accepted (by me, anyway). It looks like some peace is settling here. It's good to see.

Making negative comments about your size was an act of unproductive hurtful anger; that's true. I apologise unequivocally for my involvement in that. Perhaps you can also recognise the unproductive hurtful angry motivations/consequences of your own jibes about physical appearance, children out of wedlock, allusions to women having multiple children to multiple Fathers being "whores" (you didn't use that word but it was obviously implied with your colourful words), ugly children, "ferals", etc? Perhaps progress could be made from there if the accountability, apology and willingness to garner respect came from BOTH sides.

Actually, I do agree with a lot of what you guys say, particularly about the feminist stuff and even the natural parenting stuff. And that is why this whole thing is so bloody absurd and laughable.

The problem is, that because you guys have somehow decided that I am the "enemy", I don't feel that you guys are worth engaging in proper discussion anymore.

That said, I know Tan, and she is a very intelligent, and yes very attractive, woman. What I don't understand is why it is ok for you guys to harass me about my size and you are somehow meant to be "more feminist" (which, btw, in and of itself is an anti-feminist thing to say), but attack Tan for saying that she may actually be attractive. I just don't understand, so sorry if I resist the oh-so-strong urge to completely waste my time getting into a discussion with trolls.

If you guys had ever actually taken the time to speak with me properly, you would have seen that. Instead, you go off on your little high-school-gang trolling and, well, frankly, Ihave better things to do.

Anyway, I have work to do today. If you're interested in actually discussing these issues with me, I am always available to do so. But, I am no longer feeding trolls.

I am very sorry for the comments I have made denigrating others. I realise that I might seem bitchy and nasty - I agree the comments I made were not from a feminist perspective but from a vindictive and angry frame of mind. I hope we can all learn to respect each other all the more for having had this disagreement. Once again I would like to apologise for my comments.

You know what tea? I have read through your blog and think I have a rough idea of how you think and I just had a funny thought. I bet you are reading this, wanting desperately to agree with a lot of points that have been made yet can't because they have come from "the other side". (obviously not the fat comments etc but I suspect the feminist stuff would ring tue to you). I suspect you are much happier identifying with true feminism than "make like a tree and leave ya thilthy hairy boobed mother of bastard children".
How very amusing.

A feminist would not expect marriage to be a foregone conclusion, nor monogamy. A feminist would have no judgement about someone not being married, not being monogamous, not having the same Father for all her children. A feminist may even applaud it! *L* A feminist would not insult a woman for using her womanly body to do the womanly things it was equipped to do, such as breastfeeding. A feminist would not denigrate a woman who has used her body for it's purpose and as a result may no longer have high girlish breasts. A feminist would not pervert the creedo of "choice" to justify opressing themselves. And most feminists would rather tear their own fingernails off one by one, rather than use a word like "vixen" in their internet username. You're a feminist? Ok, well, I'm the Queen of England, then. Nice to meet you! :)

And a decent human being would never drag the children of others into their venemous rants. There exists NO justification for this sort of behaviour. It is predatory and evil.

UFAF, you state you are a feminist. Excuse me while I chortle for a bit......


Still chortling...

Ok, all good. Sorry deary for laughing at your expense but you see, a feminist wouldn't actually blink at a woman having 15 kids to 15 men. In fact, Germaine Greer would be rather proud. As far as I have seen, Anomie has made no secret of the fact that her children don't all have the same dad. I don't know how that effects are ability to parent them? As for your tits, well Miss Feminist, I'd dearly love to beat you to death with a good hardcover copy of "The Beauty Myth".

Well, I am off to wax my balls.






P.S. Get fucked. :-)


P.P.S Curr, is that your face or did your neck throw up?

So, do tell Teacups

Does your hubby have to cover you in flour to find the wet spot when you make love?

Vixen Hurl

What a fucking lying idiot you are!! Seriously, did I not read a conversation recently about you having an argument with a 'feral' hippy at the park?? You then commented on her weight as you hurled abused, great mum, pat yourself on the back HUN, you should be proud of yourself. Oh and I really DO wonder how you can afford a MBU plus numerous other prams in your time, after all aren't you just renting in Nollamara, hardly a suburb that you would expect to see more than a cheapo target number, I think you live in dream land hun, get a grip and fuck off!!

Am I alone in thinking that the temperature of one's breasts would not be a very reliable indicator of the validity of one's opinions?

My tits are soooooo hot! If you could see them you would not doubt that I have a valid opinion.

To directly quote UFAF: "I will put it simply for those of us with a low IQ such as yourself"
Nice to see you are including yourself in the group, in more ways than one.
UFAF - vitriol is only effective when articulate. Your spluttering attempts at it are laughable. I once met someone who was as pathetic and peurile as you are, and guess what! it was you! Oh, also you smell like poo and your breasts are great. Wow, wish I had tits like yours - i can see your nipple in your third post (can you see mine? obviously you can - what are you doing later on? FWanna lick my armpits?)

So would feminism be the Actual Topic now? I'm confused. Be! Where are you hun, I need you to explain all this to me again, like, umm, what can I post about now? Or do I just swear a lot like Teabagger does? And is it true T? Is teabagging better when your balls are waxed?

UFAF do you think swearing and angry venemous diatribes are feminine? You are a fool

Oops sorry, made a mistake there. Sorry Disgusted, I meant to address my last comment to Required and Ladyface, not you.

And yes, Required, I am a feminist - funny you should mention that - but I don't believe you should have to compromise your feminity in order to be taken seriously as a member of the female sex. In other words, I will put it simply for those of us with a low IQ such as yourself - I don't have to braid my leg and armpit hairs, and abstain from washing my hair and body and wear ugly clothing so that society and men may perceive me as a woman with valid opinions. When you're ugly like you honey - you have to use feminism as an excuse. I suggest you read some feminist literature by Camille Paglia in which she applauds a woman's feminity and discusses how powerful and empowering it can be. But I guess, according to you, one must be ugly and hairy to have valid opinions? Perhaps its because you have such low intelligence that you believe all feminists are ugly or that attractive women can't be feminists? Stop being so ignorant, you fucking troll.

Helga - what a lovely troll's name - reminds me of those fat bearded German women you see in old sitcoms - complete with facial hair, warts and varicose veins - hmmm methinks you look like this too. SO why don't you get fucked and think of something original to say to me rather than just get fucked huh?
To Disgusted and Ladyface - love the sarcasm you unintelligent morons. Really, try to use sarcasm sparingly. It's the lowest form of wit and humour - obviously yours are in short supply. And yes I do have nice tits - unlike your hairy sagging rank ones, so I can show them off. Truth hurt maybe. Perhaps you wish you had my tits? Oh, I forget - you did, before you breastfed your tenth child at the tender age of 10. Oops, sorry, pardon me, I should apologise for being so superficial. If I were breastfeeding six kids in one go - the eldest going to highschool - my tits would sag like yours too - my apologies for being shallow and facetious. Fuck off.

I think that if one chooses to make a poor impression due to a lack of grooming, than one must expect others to treat one in a fashion so deserving of ones appearance. I feel that as the fairer sex, we women must endeavour to live up to certain expectations of our appearance and ensure that we are always found to be dressed neatly, with our hair brushed, well-groomed nails and a fresh and clean face. In the case of UFAF perhaps a well toned bosom on display would be encouraged but for those of you with misshapen or sagging breasts, the most appropriate attire would cover the unsightly evidence. We must all take responsibility for our femininity and be sure to keep up appearances at all times.

I can't believe some females are evil enough to stoop to denigrating the innocent children of others to get their kicks. :(

Anomie, go pay some attention to your poor distraught son who was been permanently damaged by one of your ex partners inability to control his temper. Oh or wait a minute just ignore the kids you have and go have another one, isn't that your usual solution.

Wow UFAF! you sound like a real swell gal. I am so relieved that you don't judge others on their physical appearance, it's horrible to have to see ugly women, you'd think they at least try to fit the mould of feminity *tsk tsk* aren't you lucky you are so hot, so you may be judged favourably by others. Tell me, are you a feminist? You sure know where it's at sister! ;-) Perhaps you could post a picture of your fine upstanding bosom so that others might learn from your example and moral decency? I myself have lovely bosoms, and I don't judge others by their physical appearance (except for fugly people ewww!) I'm with you all the way sister!!:-)

TBM is private to protect genuine members from wierdy stalkers....that is a bit rich. Arent you stalking and harassing Tea at this very moment??

Actually, no one mentioned Birth by name. But sure, we can talk about that. Yep, the ability to see IPs has been taken away from the moderators. That does not mean that feral moderators do not have a record of them somewhere, to refer to in the future.

Yes, Katie's IP was given out. But, if I recall correctly, it was that "rool brite chik" Hollymama who published it for all the world to see, blindly believing information given out by equally "rool brite" feral trolls (who, according to your definition of people who try to trick their way into forums, are "pathetic"). Whoops!

My discussion about BM is not based on any desire to become one of its bitches. It is merely being used as an example of your pathetic hypocrisy.

And yes, I have noticed the marked absence of feral trolls from Birth lately. I assume that, as in the past, things will only stay that way until the next time you think you see an opening to cause trouble. Well good luck to you, because next time you will find that you won't get a response. This is because the rest of us have moved on.

As for proof, can you prove that moderator privileges weren't used by your lot to work out who was trying to access TBM?

TBM is private not only to prevent trolls posting there, but also to protect the personal information shared every day by genuine members there (from weirdy stalker types like you). Just like teabag's November Babies forum (well, as private as it can be with the person who gave out the password to the room previously running the webspace!). Just like the private (but poorly guarded) rooms at Negligent Parenting. Your dogged perseverance at trying to get into TBM is cute, but sort of creepy, at the same time.

As for abusing Birth moderator privileges, you may have noticed we are not ON Birth right now (it's a scary thought, so sit down before you read the next line...the world doesn't revolve around the Birth forum). You also may recall the Curr's sister (Lolli or whatever her cutesy name is) handing out KatieC's IP to a group of people on Negligent Parenting. Lolli is still a Birth moderator after this. SmellFowler of Negligent Parenting and StinkyGirl have made it publicly clear on Negligent Parenting that they use IPs gained through Birth moderators to try and figure out who is who in Negligent Parenting. Nobody at TBM has done this. Just because we are able to track IPs does not mean it has anything to do with the Birth Forum, for sobbing out loud. It's more the fact that we actually know how to use computers beyond the point of just typing "Hi my name is Fucktard, how r u all? I m so xcited to b here!". And anyway - where's your PROOF? :)

Oh, and TanUch...nobody cares. Fuck off.

You call your allegations "information". Hate to inform you that until you can prove that what you are saying is true, your allegations can only stay exactly that.

To dismiss requests for proof as "unnecessary" seems to me like an attempt to cover up the fact that you have just dropped your friends well and truly in it. I'm sure the administrators of whichever forum you got people's IPs from would be interested to hear that you are using them to track people's internet activity. Maybe I should look into posting publicly on those forums that certain moderators are abusing their moderator privileges.

Yes, I can understand that you don't want trolls invading The Black Mutt. However, it is possible to set forums up so that only members can post, so I'm still thinking you have something to hide that you are ashamed of, if you won't let people see. (Incidentally, "crapulence" means sickness caused by excessive eating or drinking - not sure how that relates to trolls on forums. But I digress.) I notice that you have included me on your list of trolls. How do you know that? How do you know even who I am? Only the truly ignorant would make assumptions about people based on the company they keep.

I can only laugh at your preaching about taking responsibility for what you say. How about you practise what you preach and make BM public?

Oh, and another thing Abnormie. I judge people on their personal, not physical merits - I have better insults than some 'fat jokes' which you and the rest of your clan are incapable of. I doubt you could insult my physical appearance since I look damn good after having three kids and still model occassionally.
And unlike you women, I can still display my tits in low cut tops because they don't make contact with my waist lol.
And one last thing Abnormie - having a child in your teenage years and saying its fantastic is nothing to be proud of - I would be ashamed to admit it on a public forum. Yes, there are lots of teenage girls who have babies and I'm not really condemning that, but I don't think its very clever of you to espouse the merits of teenage parenthood. Very irresponsible really. I'm sure not all teenage girls want to have a truckload of children to different fathers like you. Take some fucking responsibility for your pathetic life and don't try and impose your inept morals on other teenage girls. Close your legs honey - it helps.

poor McKee? Did tealou somehow edit McKee's posts to change what she said?

And honestly, do you believe that tea would just front up to the BM with her own email address and register? How in fuck would you know it's her? Obviously you're still living in a long-gone age where you can point and say 'I saw Goody Tealou with the devil!!!' and we'll just set fire to her for you. pfft.

And, outside of your paranoid little minds, there has been NO trolling on public forums such as NP or JB. reading a public forum that you're not a member of isn't trolling, fuck muppet! I doubt anyone would bother with *actually* trolling such sad excuses for public gatherings, why would you?

Abnormie - get our your stinking hairy tits and go and breastfeed one of your numerous bastard illegitimate children you've had to how many - I don't know - nameless fathers? Are you still breastfeeding your eldest old enough to chew steak? I wonder.
It's bad enough that I have to see you ugly women all the time with your sagging tits exposed to the rest of the world (god, I would put them away if they looked like that) but then you have to come on here and attack someone about their weight? How childish and juvenile and really really low. OOps, I guess I'm childish because I told you the truth about your embarrassing socioeconomic status to the rest of everyone on here.
And by the way Abnormie, I'm not fat either - before you make that comment - I've had three children to the one father - which I'm proud of, am a size 10, and was an ex model with a uni degree. I had the moral decency to be married to one man before I spread my legs to a multitude of partners. Do us all a favour Abnormie - you and the rest of your morally reprehensible low lifes- close your legs and do the world a favour by not procreating any more and save the taxpayers money,not to mention Centrelink who is supporting you and your numerous children.

lol..its obviously the real anomie...

*insert homer simpson voice* helloooooooo, my name is tealou - I am a stupid head

Well, unlike you Anomie, I don't rally people and am not responsible for what they say. The girls that have defended me have done so off their own backs, in fact, I was asleep while most of this was going on.

I have never claimed to own the "objective truth". I am sure you would acknowledge that there is no such thing.

I will repeat, I have no interest in what you petty little maggots do on your board. As far as I see, its probably better hidden away anyway.

I used Abnormie not because it was a word play, but its because its what the others call you. Not my term. I actually do know what it means.

To be honest, I actually distance myself from the ferals term - I dont define it the same way as others here, because many of my close friends are AP mothers. You are feral because you're nasty, not because of your philosophy.

I urge you to take a good look at your behaviour. I am not perfect. I say shit, sure. I also say things where people may miss tone or inflection, whatever -- thats probably because occasionally I miss. I am not perfect. But, unlike you and your bitches, I have enough self awareness and reflection to realise that my behaviour may occasionally be deserving of the odd flame.

But nothing along the lines of what you and your "friends" throw at me.

Like I said, eventually the truth will come out and you'll be exposed for who you really are. I have nothing to hide. Bring it on.

Someone pointed outto me that apparently I have been trolling your blog. So I thought I would *grin*

Tealou, you are such a pathetic victim! YOU are responsible for all the shit that gets heaped upon you. Do you not ever stop and wonder why so many people appear pissed off at you? Allow me to enlighten you...it's because you are a nasty, mean-spirited obsessive weirdo.
Oh and for the record...calling me abnormie is a lil bit silly You see, as I thought a gr8 intalekchool like your good self would know, Anomie is a term that actually essentially means abnormal - or social problems derived from abnormal behaviours. So you calling me abnormie would be akin to me calling myself, for example...I don't know, dickhead and you turning around and changing it to doodle brains. It means the same thing but yours sounds silly.
If you are going to post inflammatorythings, expect to be flamed.
As for the truth will come out in the wash, you don't own the objective truth. Perhaps you might bare in mind that your perceptions may be slightly limited by your own delusions? I suspect my truth may differ slightly to your truth (possibly because my truth doesn't stem from mental illness)

Finally, do you find it a tad embarrassing to have people defending you with the likes of "make like a tree and leave, ya thilthy ferals"? I know I would ;-)

Interesting take on things. I am sure the truth will all come out in the wash one day. Until then, adieu.

And I happen to know that you are an unscrupulous pathological liar. You know you did it. Everyone at TBM knows you did it. And everyone reading this at least now has the information that you did it to consider. So you can deny it until the size 22 cows come home. :)

And that's not even getting INTO the revolting things you've said when you thought no one could see what you were saying at Negligent Parenting. Most of it directly contradicts what you say everywhere else in public - there's some really poisonous stuff in there. It definitely contradicts the story you told the November Group on Birth whose trust you betrayed. I wonder if you spun it to them quite the way you did here - "it was fucking worth it to see that idiot McKee exposed for what she is"? Or did you make up some crap to pretend you actually felt sorry for betraying them? Did you make up a story about how and why you gave the password out, rather than admitting that you maliciously and without being asked for it gave it out and invited all and sundry to go and spy on women who thought they were chatting amongst trusted friends? And as for poor McKee...the only thing you've exposed is that you're an obssessive, psychotic, mean spirited bitch who launches smear campaigns against anyone who stands up to you in any way. You tell bullshit stories about why things happen to you, conveniently leaving out the parts where YOU contribute to your own downfall. You pin the blame for everything on everyone else.

The only reason people come to your Blog and tell you what they think of you is because you spend a lot of your time putting vile things about other people out there. If you didn't, nobody would bother you. Maybe people just want you, just once, to actually take responsibility for what you say? To tell the TRUTH for a change? To, oh, I don't know, perhaps show some respect and remorse for the evil you spread?

Or maybe we really, really, really just want you to SHUT UP.

In other words, you have no proof.

I happen to know that that proof doesn't actually exist.

I'm not sure what "proof" you want, but we both know you don't need any proof, because we both know you most certainly DID do it. This is NOT the admin of TBM writing this post, and they may not be willing to forward on your own bogus application to you to prove to you that you did it (how fucking stupid would that whole process be?! As you are well aware!).

So much for your "accountability". You're pathetic. Even the way you express yourself "I want proof now." - as though you expect the whole world to scurry about doing your bidding simply because you put on your stroppy tanty voice and demand what you want. Sickening.

I would like to know how there is an IP address and email from me when I havent done it.

I want proof now.

I am so delighted to of provided you all with such entertainment, if a few grammar mistakes provides you with this I really do feel sorry for you, what your tedious life must consist of. Unfortunately you have not provided me with the same courtesy as I am bored. So see you later, have fun and all that, no doubt I will See you around here again.

Yes, it's far less intellectually stimulating than your invention of "Abnormie", isn't it, Teabags? Ever the hypocrite. You really should stop trying to repeatedly fake the moral highground when evidence of your own poor behaviour is all over the internet.

And we have your IP and email address on at least one bogus application to TBM. Yet another lie. *sigh* The scary thing is, I suspect you actually BELIEVE some of the bullshit you talk.

The "I work, study and parent so I am better than you so go get a life" is sooo boring now. Most people work. Most people study. Pretty much everyone here parents. Your self validation techniques are pretty average at best. Perhaps some people are just better multitaskers than you?

My God, the last time I was called teabags was when I was 7. We are clearly dealing with intellectual powerhouses here, girls.

No, wowza, I wasn't actually responding to you at all. I was responding to Teabags, the Curr, and Stinky. Got YOUR facts straight now? Great! :o)

For the record, even though it might be pointless:

1. I have never tried to get into the Black Mutt. You really assume that I even care. lol. The only info I have had from BM is info that has been volunteered to me from your own members. If I had my way I would have nothing to do with any of these boards.

2. I don't visit any other board except Realisitic Parenting and up until recently, birth. I think mummy politics is juvenile and kinda pathetic and was reluctant to even join an online community for this reason. You guys have proven my initial concerns.

3. I only comment onpeople's ugly children when their attitude reaks of "my baby is more beautiful than yours"

4. I wasn't going to address this, but I'd better. I go to the gym 4 times a week and have for years. My size is independent of body fat and health, but you can't seem to understand that. You people are what, 14 years old?

If anything it is you lot that are making stuff up. Must be great living in this alternate reality where you think I actually give a fuck. I have a job, study and, most importantly, children to look after, so I suggest you all get a life.

now you are trying to pluck names out of the air...it is not Ker. Get your facts straight

Uh, no, the Curr posted her horrific mugshots in the public area of Negligent Parenting. And you will "catch whoever is responsible"? Oh, please. A) SHE is responsible for being doughy enough to do such a stupid thing, and B) You have a bit of an overinflated sense of self importance there. The only thing you seem to have caught in your time is a big dose of stupid and a side helping of obesity (topped off with a lovely sauce of victim mentality and excuses, goes down well with a fine wine of arrogance).

You seem to be prone to spewing forth your vitriol all over PUBLIC areas such as this Blog and Negligent Parenting, and then screeching "that was private, how dare you comment!" when you receive PUBLIC attention for your actions.

Oh, and Curr? Your child IS beautiful - ALL children are beautiful. It's just a pity about his poor excuse for a Mother. Unlike the bitter hordes at Negligent Parenting, we don't insult the beauty of innocent children based on our feelings towards their parents.

And why is the Mutt private? Simple; to protect the worthwhile members from the crapulence of trolls like you, Curr, Teabags, Stinky, et al. It's open to genuine members. It's not open to trolls.

Speaking of trolling, are you all REALLY shocked that your own spurious trolling efforts on NP, TBM, JB and Birth have come back to haunt you here?! Come off it. Perhaps if you stop perpetrating the behaviour that you claim to be so adamantly against, it will stop coming back to you threefold.

It is ok Dog lover. You are also providing endless entertainment at this end also. Nothing like a but of shit flinging to pass the time while our cherubs sleep hey?

The problem is that some of us have more time to do it because we dont have a life...some of you "ferals" must spend most of the time trollign boards considering come of you have 3000+ posts on birth, countless on NP and other sites, plus you like to go defacing Blog sites. Sorry, but when do you get time to look after your unfortunate looking kids?

You are so witty...I wish I were you dog lover

That would be waste, Be... Oh and talking about waste, Trashtalk and the Large Waist... You asked what we were doing here. So I guess that would be the topic? I'll try and explain what I am doing here, FYI.

If one was being droll, one could say I am taking out the trash, but it IS possible that I am "actually looking for entertainment", as you so eloquently put it... 'Though how much "actual" entertainment you could provide is, I agree, questionable. Fortunately, however, there is a wealth of it to be had at your expense.

You see, it gets pretty dull holed up in the red teepee out in the middle of the rainforest for a full week . You know how it is - once one has finished plaiting one's pubic hair, there really isn't much to do - one can get quite desperate for inderlektual stimulation.

HTH. Thankyou.

Whatever tickles your fancy then, waist time away :)

Or perhaps for clarity "The Actual Leave a Comment about the Acutal Topic".

Oh no, Be, Thank YOU for the tip. But perhaps you should ask Teabagger to edit the directive to include this vital piece of information.

The more instructive "Leave a Comment about the Actual Topic", might help to avoid this terrible state of confusion.

Gee thanks alot for the tip. But I think the actual leave a comment is suppose to be about the actual topic not just to start a bitch fight.

Be, you might not have noticed, but this is a public forum. "Leave a Comment". HTH. Thankyou.

Well what is it that you actually want to achieve by coming here?

If my neighbours were hellbent on sprouting untruths, twisting shit and then making out that they are an innocent victim, darn tootin' I'd be banging on their door. However, my neighbours wouldn't do that as they don't have the anonymity that the internet provides. Actually, my neighbours are lovely people and I get along great with them. Must just be ignorant wannabes I clash with.

I really can't understand the mentality of people who come here and attack someone on their own blog, I mean its not like you just stumbled across it. Are guys are actually looking for entertainment? We all get that you don't like Tea, and quiet frankly it is getting rather boring. What would you do if you didn't like your neighbour, knock on their door and abuse them all the time? Why is it ok to do it on the internet then?

And yet you all still keep trying to get in - heh!
As for the proof thing, I think it is quite obvious to all how easy it is to maintain one's privacy online - hence your random attempts at guessing my name. It is a ridiculous thing to ask for proof for which is why I didn't feel the need to addrees it. You know, we know and teabag knows that she has attempted to bluff her way in to the mutt. proof is unnecessary. Nor is it of any importance. Whether or not she attempted has created false profiles etc, it doesn't change the fact that she needs psychiatric help forthwith.
As for the ugly comments, all I can do is giggle. Giggle because those that know me and whose opinions I value tell me I am beautiful. Hmm, who do I believe - my nearest and dearest or some anonymous slappers on the net... ;-)

YOoooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwllllllll!!!

Love you feral bitches ;)

Ker, despite your name, none of us would even hump your leg.

send abuse to: theredkennel@corndog.com

Ummm ... I'm still waiting for the proof that Tea created false identities and stories on other boards. How convenient that it seems to have been forgotten.

There is a saying that beauty is skin deep, but ugly goes right to the bone. The more you ferals open your mouths, the more you prove it.

You know, I've wondered why you lot are keeping The Black Mutt behind closed doors. I can only conclude that it's because you have something to hide - and even you know that whatever it is is something to be ashamed of. Actually, I guess we should be thanking you for keeping BM private - that sort of ugliness is something we can all do without.

Anomie, when you go looking for Daddy number FOUR for child number SIX, I hope you fuck the wrong one and get syphilis.

But hang on...if you get syphilis, doesn't that mean your dick will fall off? Dickless Anomie? An even worse visual than what you already are...

What a GORGEOUS boy you have their Ker!

You know, to use random people from birth's names I'm SURE is against birth's rules...

And thank you for posting a link to my personal photos...I'm always happy to show off my gorgeous son.

Well thanks for that beautiful pic. Too bad your fugly and Kers not

Hmmm, there's an upside to this...if i am ugly, at least you won't hit on me.

And anomie darling...in regards to getting pregnant... close your legs so you don't have SIX kids to 4 dads.

You have to repeat what was said cos your too stupid and useless to come up with your own sayings. You are soo pethetic and need a life. And wonder what happened to the poor person or persons who knocked you up they prob got very sick from touching you or maybe were to drunk to know better.

And you have seen my photos WHERE? Your type are not the type I would share photos with...

Look, we've all seen anomie's photo now. she wins. Her 'best of show' sash is on its way.

Can't you at least wash your hair before you leave the house shell?

KER is calling someone else ugly?! *guffawing with laughter* Ker, we've seen your pictures. Have you charged the person who beat you so very violently with the frighteningly ugly stick?! You are TRULY a shocker - the epitome of skank. Your glass house must be in miniscule shards after those stones you just hurled! Hilarious! How you managed to get some poor fucker to knock you up not once, but twice, with THAT head, is beyond me.

Oh cool, I'm anomie again. I thought I was KatieC. I can't keep up, how about you? Oh wait, that's obviously a no ;-)

Anomie, ever heard the saying those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones darling? Well, we've seen your photo...and hey...it ain't pretty. You calling tea fat is the pot calling the kettle black. And hey...tea can lose weight...you can't lose ugly.

Like I give a rats bout my spelling. I can't spell but your butt ugly I can fix my problem you can't.

Caz patch, scroll up a few posts and you'll see a referrence to dictionary.com. Great site. Highly recommend it.

Get a life your the psycho. And you shouldn't throw stones at others or they may come back at you. Go back to your friends and do your red tent crap your thilthy wierdos

Oh, well that certainly was classy and "tamed" there, Wowza! Did you come up with that all by your liddle ol' self? Cute!

Go back and fuck a black mutt would ya... you fucking red tents

Is that all youve got?

I am still waiting for the proof.

Feral is as feral does. If you want to know what a feral is, just look in the mirror.

Dictionary.com defines a feral as one who exists in a wild or untamed state.

Those of us who are somewhat "tamed" realise when to just drop it and move on, instead of actively going out to find trouble. It is painfully obvious that you are not one of them.

Oh cool, do I get to be KatieC now?
And teabag sweet, you got banned because you are psycho. You got banned because you believe yourself to be superior enough to fool everybody with your two-faced shit yet even a halfwit could see you attempting to twist things. You got banned, quite frankly m' dear, because you suck. Heh.

God, the irony is delicious here.

You bitches have nothing better to do? Seriously? What a nasty bunch of wenches you are.

I got banned because you fuckers made it happen. Don't pretend otherwise. And what got me banned, it was fucking worth it to see that idiot McKee exposed for what she is. I hope she likes her new friends, they'll probably turn on her eventually.

Oh my God. You girls are pathetic. you have reverted to being 15. Nice touch. It is amazing how you can harbour so much hatred when you preach this holistic lifestyle. Pretty ironic dont you think?

I cant believe you have so much hatred for this girl that you would stalk her in her blog and criticise her about her appearance. I mean how shallow and pathetic can you get.

I am taking guesses at how you are and I have a pretty good idea. You seriously need to get over yourselves...especially you KatieC. You are not so crash hot youself.

Oh yay, let's play random guessing names again! Who else can I be? I can't remember all the other names you came up with last time but goodness me it was fun.
And just out of curiosity, what exactly -is- a feral? Because I suspect I'm not one. But hey, I know how much you love to label people so call me what you will. It won't change the fact that you are nothing but a whingey whiney weirdy fucktard.
Oh, and suck shit about getting banned. It was a long time coming. Suck it up!

Anomie get a bloody life a do us all a fav and make like a tree and leave. No one wants you here so bugger off! As for the rude bitchy remarks against tea you are a coward who hides behind her comp. You think your better then every one well your not better then any one so get over your self and be gone.

I'm just wondering what all you trolls think you are going to accomplish by coming here and attacking someone who is simply sharing her take on life. If you don't like what she has to say, then simply don't come here.

And while we are on the topic of creating false stories and identities, look no further than your own posse. I can name at least two examples. I too would be interested to see the proof.

If you want to do all of us a favour, stop wasting your time here and go and get sterilised.

Well, true colours have been shown at least. I love how they have been shown up on their hypocrisy and now they've resorted to fat jokes.

Admitting you're a feral is a nice touch.

You have seriously, nothing better to do with your time?

Name edited to highlight exactly who is responsible.

I aman arrogant, whingey whiney cry-baby victim. Poor me, I have pcos. Poor me, I am fat. Poor me, all these nasty ferals are mean to me and I have my head shoved much to far up my arse to se that they are merely reacting to my constant passive aggressive bullshit. Oh poor me, I am so misunderstood. Blah blah fucking blah.

See, I put my name to it, brave aren't I?

Tealou, fuck you. You are a pathetic, power-tripping egomanical psycho. You are not superior to me. You'd struggle to be superior to my discarded chewing gum clinging to the bottom of my rubbish-filled bin liner. Now do us all a favour and shut the fuck up.
Dickhead.

other than this week, when it was blatantly obvious to anyone with a brain that I had joined a certain forum as a fake (and a bunch of people knew about it and were laughing ...hardly sinister and secret), I would like to know when I have joined forums with fake stories or identities?

I would like for you to prove it. Right now.

Again, at least my name is on what I write. You're all drowning in your own hypocrisy.

Uh...no, Tea, you don't. You access forums under false names and false stories. You troll boards. You lie about people when you think they can't see what you're saying and deny it all or try to twist it when you're inevitably sprung. You lie about your own actions. Accountability?! You couldn't be further from that lofty goal.

You seem to think it's terribly brave, witty, original and clever to be a hatred filled, bitter, angry, sad little girl.

I may say some shit.

I may write some things that people might not like.

Heck, I might even be a fucking slapper.

But at least I put my name to it. I put my name out there and accept accountability for what I say and do.

Fucking cowards.

Oh look, the nameless coward is back. Once again thinking the world can't turn without her mindless opinion.

Honestly, are you just too stupid to create your own blog and regurgitate your predictable drivel there? it's not hard you know, and you don't even have to pay for one either if you're too broke after buying up your supply of weed.

Well fuck me dead.

you have the nerve to talk about slappers when you would have to be the biggest one out there.

For fucks sake woman why don't you get off you fat arse and take a good look at yourself?

You get around with this high and mighty attitude, attacking everyone else as if you are the be all and end all of the fucking internet world.

You sit there and accuse everyone of being on the internet all the time and ignoring their children...and you can talk about others being hypocritical?

And aren't you lowering your standards by attending a shop like Best and Less? ANd layby...shit how dare a person evern suggest such a feral idea....I mean it must be fairly obvious (well obvious to you only perhaps) that you aren't feral.....oh hang on.....

Thats where we hit a problem...........

You are a feral, your attitude, the people you associate with online, everything about you is feral
.

You have nothing but a feral attutide, through which you spout your ignorant I am better than you attitude.

Fuck you Tealou, and fuck your attitude...you are a nothing......

yay, the troll's back. With a different name and the same IP. lol.

Seems our troll friend has no sense of humour and takes her Best & Less fandom a little too seriously. Maybe having all those feral children to different fathers turns one into a Best & Less slapper.

And I am sure that overweight people with endocrine illness appreciate the generalisations you made about them. Hypocrite.

And I thought you and your mob valued motherhood as legitimate work? I am sure that your feral buddies who sit on their computers all day on parenting forums will appreciate that working at Best & Less is more legitimate than working at home whilst the children sleep. Even though I do have a job with the luxury of working from home, its nice to know that those who spout crap about others are equally hypocritical. Snort.

You are one of those idiot pseudo-lefty wankers who think that a menial job has more "honour" than anything else, and if someone who has a better job complains about the service, they are a snob. Its condescending and bullshit. You have no fucking idea.

Your hypocrisy, bigotry and self delusion embarrass the rest of the human race. Perhaps she thought that because you were a whopping size 22, all your money had been spent on gluttony? Or maybe it simply didn't mean anything. Perhaps (and here's a big 'un to grasp) IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT YOU!

Shocking concept, I know.

I'm sorry that you found your dangerous venture into the lower class realm of Best and Less so traumatic to your wannabe middle class sensitivities. I'm also sorry that 30 year old Best and Less checkout chick, who is at least off her arse and working, had to encounter you on that day.

get over it slapper